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#314656 - 09/01/19 11:25 PM RoundTable for Fall 2019
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It's the Despair Quotient!
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Welcome
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Well, here we are looking at the end of the second decade of the twenty-first century. I dunno bout the rest of you but I hardly even imagined myself making it to the year 2020.
It's almost like that song "In the Year 2525"...



Except that no one predicted that sudden sharp turn that made Idiocracy transform from a science fiction comedy to a documentary, at least according to the writer and director of the film!



Wifey and I are about to pull the trigger on solar power, and we're hoping we pick the right people and the right firm to do the job.
I know some of you already have solar, so I am open to any suggestions!

The quest for new Ranters continues apace.
Please feel free to invite anyone you feel is quality people to our family. Just let me know what name or handle they go by.

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#314661 - 09/02/19 12:11 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
...Fall 2019...

Checks calendar. Yup, still summer. smile But, what the heck, kids start school on Tuesday. laugh
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#314662 - 09/02/19 12:13 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
... here we are looking at the end of the second decade of the twenty-first century. I dunno bout the rest of you but I hardly even imagined myself making it to the year 2020...

Only realized it yesterday that another decade is gone. Time flies... Hmm
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#314676 - 09/02/19 01:12 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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The first question with solar is: Lease or buy? I bought because with my electronics background I had little trouble serving as my own installer. San Diego County lets a homeowner DIY this stuff as long as you sign a form that says any stupid accidents are your own damned fault. You still have to follow all the rules, get a permit, and pass inspection. I found the inspectors quite helpful, despite bad press. The biggest hassle was with SDG&E not accepting my grid-tie inverter model and having to replace it to get approved for net metering. Actually, if I had not taken so long they would have approved the old one and grandfathered it in.

The plans I drew with Visio and the ground mount manufacturer's supplied engineering analysis. I did have to have a Professional or Civil Engineer stamp my plans. Once I found one that took about five minutes and $25.

Digging the holes for the ground mount foundation was interesting. I got to rent one of those sit-on-top excavators.

For most folks, the alternatives are lease it from an installation company, or buy it from an installation company. I think very few will try to buy pieces of it and then hire an installer to put it in.

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#314680 - 09/02/19 01:38 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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You can purchase a Sunrun solar installation project through Costco's Home Improvement Department.

Plus you'll receive a Costco Cash Card for 10% of the purchase amount that you can use at Costco or cash-out until 12/31/19. smile
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#314683 - 09/02/19 02:04 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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There you go: Costco has great stuff. Costco solar is a pretty good recommendation. As long as you are getting UL approved solar panels and equipment, it pretty much all comes with a 25 year warranty. Get it done before the end of the year and you get a 30% tax rebate from the IRS. Hard to beat that.

It may need some lead time because a roof mount suggests you redo your roof as you put on the panel mounts. It's best to coordinate both to get the best installation.

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#314688 - 09/02/19 03:09 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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It won't be Fall for three more weeks. It's not a fire festival or anything but it's the second harvest feast and deserves a certain amount of respect. We call it Mabon.

It's hard to get the infidels to respect your religious customs **sighs**
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#314689 - 09/02/19 03:26 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
It won't be Fall for three more weeks. It's not a fire festival or anything but it's the second harvest feast and deserves a certain amount of respect. We call it Mabon.

It's hard to get the infidels to respect your religious customs **sighs**

I'm sure there is a court case working its way up to the SCOTUS to protect your religious freedom. Patience. smile
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#314690 - 09/02/19 03:38 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
There you go: Costco has great stuff. Costco solar is a pretty good recommendation. As long as you are getting UL approved solar panels and equipment, it pretty much all comes with a 25 year warranty. Get it done before the end of the year and you get a 30% tax rebate from the IRS. Hard to beat that.

It may need some lead time because a roof mount suggests you redo your roof as you put on the panel mounts. It's best to coordinate both to get the best installation.


Ahhh, there's the rub. We have those Spanish Mission style roof tiles, and at first we kept hearing that "NOBODY INSTALLS SOLAR" on those kinds of roofs but I know that's not really true.
It boils down to "lots of solar co's don't WANT to install on clay/concrete tile", so there's that issue.
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#314696 - 09/02/19 07:14 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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If you have room somewhere else in the yard say, you could use a ground mount. Lots of Walmarts actually have big ground mounts in the parking lot. Need a patio shade? Solar panels let a bit of light through but they make a great patio cover. They are pretty light, like 50 pounds for a 24 square foot panel. Less than asphalt shingles.

All the mounting hardware manufacturers make hardware for tile roofs. I guess the hard part is finding somebody to install it. Rancho Bernardo in Sand Diego County is all tile roofs by HOAs, and LOTS of them have roof-mounted solar. You may have to shop North San Diego county installers.

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#314699 - 09/02/19 03:06 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I needed a new roof, and I really wanted to make it solar. I really like the Tesla/SolarCity integrated roofs but: a) I can't get them here, because they only lease, and b) my house is like the worst solar location in the neighborhood. I have lots of big trees (even a sequoia) that shade the house all day. That's the trade off.

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#314722 - 09/02/19 09:49 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
If you have room somewhere else in the yard say, you could use a ground mount. Lots of Walmarts actually have big ground mounts in the parking lot. Need a patio shade? Solar panels let a bit of light through but they make a great patio cover. They are pretty light, like 50 pounds for a 24 square foot panel. Less than asphalt shingles.

All the mounting hardware manufacturers make hardware for tile roofs. I guess the hard part is finding somebody to install it. Rancho Bernardo in Sand Diego County is all tile roofs by HOAs, and LOTS of them have roof-mounted solar. You may have to shop North San Diego county installers.


I was actually sorta thinking about a back faux patio cover arrangement to be honest. I don't have enough back yard to install enough so I'd still wind up with a few of them in front anyway, but it would be a small number in front, maybe six panels max.

But our place is pretty open to the sun, as you can see:
Casa de Checkers
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#314727 - 09/02/19 11:46 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Some Flor-i-duh Evangelicals gather on Jacksonville Beach Pier to pray Hurricane Dorian away.

coffee

Mebbe if they blow hard enough, they can blow the hurricane back out to sea. smile

Isn't that how mystical, magical thinking works? Hmm
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#314729 - 09/03/19 12:56 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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President Numbskull doubles-down on Dorian affecting Alabama.

This idiot just can't ever be wrong. rolleyes

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#314743 - 09/03/19 05:46 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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For P_I_A:

Quote:
Police were called to a Popeyes in Houston, Texas after a violent confrontation — over chicken sandwiches.

“An armed group of people rushed the door of a Popeyes Chicken restaurant in southeast Houston Monday night demanding chicken sandwiches,” KTRK-TV reported Monday evening.

- ABC 13 - Houston


Are they really THAT good? I guess I'll have to try one. smile
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#314749 - 09/03/19 06:51 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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I had a chicfilet sandwich once. It was awful. If the Popeyes sandwich is a lot better it could still be awful.

Publix Fried chicken on a Hawaiian roll with remoulade sauce is best.
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#314750 - 09/03/19 06:57 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
I had a chicfilet sandwich once. It was awful. If the Popeyes sandwich is a lot better it could still be awful.

Publix Fried chicken on a Hawaiian roll with remoulade sauce is best.


Careful, some of those ammo-sexuals might show up at Publix now!
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#314809 - 09/04/19 04:06 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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WTF is Ivanka wearing? She looks absolutely ridiculous. Hmm

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#314810 - 09/04/19 04:19 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Don't watch this video of Jerry Falwell Jr and his pool boy...erm "personal trainer" with you eyes closed - least you get the wrong idea.

coffee

( Falwell Jr just gave an 18-acre racquetball and fitness facility once owned by Liberty University to this guy. )

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#314833 - 09/04/19 07:10 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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And in other news, two pastors wives got into a scuffle that ultimately erupted in gunfire.

ARGUMENT BETWEEN WEST VIRIGINIA PASTORS' WIVES ENDS WITH GUNFIRE IN CHURCH PARKING LOT

Hmmmm, she seems nice. tinfoilhat



Kinda reminds me of the infamous Jonesboro Church Wars of the 1930's in Jonesboro, Arkansas, where Karen and I once lived.
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#314834 - 09/04/19 07:16 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#314835 - 09/04/19 07:19 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Donnie Dumbass triples-down on his claim Alabama was in Dorian's range. The idiot used a Sharpie to ended the cone of the projected area affected. "Bed Bugs" just can't ever be wrong and he does things to make himself look right when he is wrong. What a sick fck. Hmm


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#314837 - 09/04/19 09:37 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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I think that's taking the whole "Christian soldier" thing a little far...
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#314866 - 09/05/19 01:06 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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(Terrorist) Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places frequented by foreigners ... such as shopping malls, markets, monuments, tourist destinations, demonstrations, large gatherings and on public transport.

I need to send a note to the New Zealand government to add "churches" to the list on their Travel Advisory for the United States... coffee

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#314874 - 09/05/19 04:26 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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That's a rare old voice!

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#314880 - 09/05/19 05:58 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Trump's SharpieGate just won't go away. smile

Also, did you know that it's a felony to knowingly put out misinformation about a weather report? Who knew? Clearly Donnie Dumbass didn't. laugh
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#314888 - 09/05/19 06:47 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Y'know...I almost consider President Trump to be a fellow Floridian. So in defense of this overblown faux pas let me assure you it's just the way a Floridian looks at hurricane predictions. We don't believe them and every one of us feels better qualified than the weather bureau to predict their paths. I've done that to many a map, although somewhat less lately since sharpie is hard to get off the screen...They handed him a map and he said "I bet it goes this way!" and scrawled that on the map.



Edited by Greger (09/05/19 06:49 PM)
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#314890 - 09/05/19 07:02 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#314896 - 09/05/19 07:23 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Everyone please welcome a member of DebatePolitics: ttwtt78640

Yes, that's a real handle, not a spambot.
I am at a loss as to what nickname to give him but he's a good guy.

No, he's NOT quite what you would call a liberal by any stretch of the imagination. My aim is to get some balanced talent in here.
I've invited some more DP-ers, and hopefully they will show up, too.
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#314897 - 09/05/19 07:26 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Can we call you Tweddy or Teddy?
It beats Twitty by a longshot.
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#314900 - 09/05/19 07:37 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Please extend a warm welcome to Perotista.
Welcome to the madness, Perotista.
We're glad you're here!
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#314901 - 09/05/19 08:11 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Trump's SharpieGate just won't go away. smile


Sharpies are a permanent wink
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#314902 - 09/05/19 08:13 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Welcome, Perotista.
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#314903 - 09/05/19 08:20 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#314908 - 09/05/19 08:45 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Thank you. Hope folks don't mind someone who isn't all that partisan or an ideologue. One who dislikes both major parties. As time goes by, I'm sure I'll get a chance to explain and expand on that. Just give me time to get to know the site.
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#314911 - 09/05/19 09:00 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: perotista]
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Thank you. Hope folks don't mind someone who isn't all that partisan or an ideologue. One who dislikes both major parties. As time goes by, I'm sure I'll get a chance to explain and expand on that. Just give me time to get to know the site.


Take all the time you need but feel free to jump in and argue whenever it suits your fancy.



That's PDX Rick and NWP trying to have it out.
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#314919 - 09/05/19 10:19 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: perotista]
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Thank you. Hope folks don't mind someone who isn't all that partisan or an ideologue. One who dislikes both major parties. As time goes by, I'm sure I'll get a chance to explain and expand on that. Just give me time to get to know the site.

Welcome to Reader Rant at Capitol Hill Blue - the oldest political website on the 'net. smile
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#314923 - 09/05/19 10:25 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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They claim to be, but you can wipe their ink right off many non-porous surfaces with lacquer thinner.

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#314927 - 09/05/19 10:45 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Just when you thought emotionally unhinged Trump and his SharpieGate could not get any more weird, the White House found a "Rear Admiral" (John Miller? John Barron?) to fall on the Sharpie and state he briefed Trump on Dorian's impact on Alabama.

via Twitter

Putin is eating popcorn and enjoying this shyte show. Hmm
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#314931 - 09/05/19 11:02 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Only Trump's hand-drawn NOAA maps will be released to the public, henceforth:

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#314950 - 09/06/19 02:29 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Please put your hands together and welcome Ikari to our familia.
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#314951 - 09/06/19 02:29 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Sharpies are a permanent


They claim to be, but you can wipe their ink right off many non-porous surfaces with lacquer thinner.


But Donnie's head is porous, no?
Just asking for a friend.


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#314956 - 09/06/19 03:12 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Welcome to the madness, Moot laugh
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#314957 - 09/06/19 03:51 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Jeffrey's becoming a regular political groupie Pied Piper. smile

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#314960 - 09/06/19 04:02 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Jeffrey's becoming a regular political groupie Pied Piper. smile

Welcome to Reader Rant new Ranters. Bow


We need new blood, stir s*** around. wink
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#314965 - 09/06/19 12:38 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Welcome Ikari


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Now post something feedtrolls
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#314966 - 09/06/19 12:50 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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Sharpies are a permanent


They claim to be, but you can wipe their ink right off many non-porous surfaces with lacquer thinner.


But Donnie's head is porous, no?
Just asking for a friend.


More porous than comb jellies, one would think.
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#314967 - 09/06/19 01:04 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Welcome new Ranters. It must seem strange to be a newbie again ...
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#314973 - 09/06/19 03:20 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: perotista]
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Thank you. Hope folks don't mind someone who isn't all that partisan or an ideologue. One who dislikes both major parties. As time goes by, I'm sure I'll get a chance to explain and expand on that. Just give me time to get to know the site.


Neither party has any plans or goals to save the planet and the human race. My goals include both of those things as well as destroying both political parties in my march towards Global Utopian Social Democracy.

Maybe I'm an ideologue...is egalitarianism an ideology? There are SO many to choose from! I wanted to be a Socialist, because that's what my political adversaries call me. But Merriam-Webster disagrees or is wrong and just who the hell am I to say the dictionary is wrong?

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#314974 - 09/06/19 04:23 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Jeffrey's becoming a regular political groupie Pied Piper.
Jeff "PP" Haas?

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#314975 - 09/06/19 04:46 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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Global Utopian Social Democracy.


GUSP!!!!
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#314978 - 09/06/19 06:12 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Jeffrey's becoming a regular political groupie Pied Piper.
Jeff "PP" Haas?


Snort! Don't encourage him, NWP ROTFMOL
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#314979 - 09/06/19 06:23 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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In other news, get your old trippy-hippie garb out, looks like Johns Hopkins is going to start doing fresh research on psychedelics!

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On Wednesday, Johns Hopkins Medicine announced the launch of the Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research, to study compounds like LSD and psilocybin for a range of mental health problems, including anorexia, addiction and depression.


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#314980 - 09/06/19 06:33 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I did a sh*t ton of psychedelics. Far more than was probably healthy. I don't claim to have remained completely sane.

But I don't suffer from anorexia, addiction, or depression so apparently it worked on that.
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#314987 - 09/06/19 10:32 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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I did a sh*t ton of psychedelics. Far more than was probably healthy. I don't claim to have remained completely sane.

But I don't suffer from anorexia, addiction, or depression so apparently it worked on that.


I've revealed this on other forums but for some reason I never made mention of it here at home.

I'm on the autism spectrum. I'm an Aspie.
Asperger Syndrome
To say I was a strange kid is an understatement.
I literally viewed people, even my siblings and parents, as "machines" as a child, and I spent as little time interacting with people as possible. My world consisted of anything with switches, dials or knobs.

Psychedelics broke me out of the round, windowless concrete room that was my mind, and opened my consciousness to the world around me, and the people in it. (age fifteen)

Acid, shrooms and peyote literally were "miracle drugs" for this Ranter. They are the reason I am able to have rewarding and fulfilling human relationships today.

PS: I wasn't officially diagnosed until age 46 by a VA neurologist.
But it all made perfect sense. All the puzzle pieces as to why I was such a weirdo suddenly fit together.
It was actually something of a relief to understand finally, what made me tick.
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#314989 - 09/06/19 11:13 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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You didn't seem like that much of a weirdo when I visited you... putting you in a mental lineup with most of my friends and you appear to be the normal one - no offense intended... LOL
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#314993 - 09/06/19 11:41 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I was pretty opened up by psychedelics around age 17, myself. I was pretty set on going to Med School before then, but I realized there were other things I liked a lot better. Just for fun I took a lot of Occupational Electronics in high school, and was pretty much the mad inventor in those classes. For example, one of my inventions was a working model of learned behavior, complete with stimuli, responses, reward, remembering, and forgetting. The neurologist's son who made a model of a single neuron was probably the only other person in the entire school who understood what I had done. No prize in the school science fair, because nobody understood I had built a (primitive) AI in 1967.

Psychedelics helped me see that I could do what I really wanted in life. It's been a blast so far.

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#315001 - 09/07/19 01:05 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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You didn't seem like that much of a weirdo when I visited you... putting you in a mental lineup with most of my friends and you appear to be the normal one - no offense intended... LOL



When I was a little one, I was VERY weird, circus wierd, carnival attraction weird. Yeah of course I seemed relatively old, decrepit and well adjusted when you saw me. I'm talking about when I was five, seven, eleven, thirteen, those years and the ones in between.

Everyone who knew me back in my childhood says I am completely different from the kid they knew.
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#315006 - 09/07/19 01:19 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Psychedelics helped me see that I could do what I really wanted in life. It's been a blast so far.


Helped me see that I could be WHO I wanted to be.



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#315011 - 09/07/19 03:45 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all

Psychedelics helped me see that I could do what I really wanted in life. It's been a blast so far.


Helped me see that I could be WHO I wanted to be.





I'll bet you never knew you had a doppelganger back in 1967, 'Ernie' from My Three Sons.


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#315015 - 09/07/19 04:21 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: HumblePi]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all

Psychedelics helped me see that I could do what I really wanted in life. It's been a blast so far.


Helped me see that I could be WHO I wanted to be.





I'll bet you never knew you had a doppelganger back in 1967, 'Ernie' from My Three Sons.



It's all I ever heard as a kid!
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#315022 - 09/07/19 02:43 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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McConnell vows to protect Kentucky middle school from Trump's grab for wall funding (CNN). This was so rich, I literally woke the dog laughing.

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#315024 - 09/07/19 03:02 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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#315046 - 09/07/19 10:32 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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Is there anything wrong with a good gin and tonic?
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#315062 - 09/08/19 12:52 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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Is there anything wrong with a good gin and tonic?


Yeah, gin and tonic: Both are obnoxious.

But back to the Republican's dilemma. It's hilarious that Republicans would expect the Democratic House to throw more money at the military funding projects. Just so Trump can steal it again? Like one democratic Senator said:

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#315067 - 09/08/19 01:19 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I gotta side with PIA on the gin and tonic thing. It's definitely an acquired taste.
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#315174 - 09/10/19 07:05 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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The Taliban are saying that THEY cancelled the meeting because Trump wanted to turn the meeting into a photo op. Who do you believe?

Hmm
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#315175 - 09/10/19 07:48 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Devin Nunes at Sacramento Airport FR 09/06/19



I really wanted to ask him about that late-night ride to the WH in 2017 and why is he suing @DevinsCow from Twitter.

smile

ps. My phone made a camera-click when I took the piccy. (No one noticed. laugh )
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#315176 - 09/10/19 07:51 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Overheard three old hens with really thick southern drawls at Sea-Tac FR 09/06/19

Hen 1: "That Bernie is such a socialist."
Hen 2: "What about that Joe Biden? Why...he's dumber than ah yam."
Hen 3: "The Democrats don't know what they're doin'."

As if your bloated orange clown does? Hmm
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#315276 - 09/13/19 02:31 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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I laughed a lil bit and said “they say the same about y’all”
He ain’t laugh
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#315290 - 09/13/19 03:03 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Herr Trump says "there was nobody here in America twenty-five years ago, and therefore air and water was cleaner than it is now." Twenty five years ago was 1994.

The man's cheese is falling off his cracker right before our very eyes!

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#315292 - 09/13/19 03:20 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Herr Trump says "there was nobody here in America twenty-five years ago, and therefore air and water was cleaner than it is now." Twenty five years ago was 1994.

The man's cheese is falling off his cracker right before our very eyes!

Twitter link

Quote:
"But I have to be very accurate...", sez King Kon!

ROTFMOL
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#315295 - 09/13/19 03:51 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Oh WOW! You mean it was not me walking around Philly in the 60s breathing in all that yellowish air and watching the black Delaware flow under the Tacony Palmyra bridge and being unable to see William Penn while crossing the bridge... Miracles, upon miracles.

Here is what President Donald (swiss cheese without a cracker) Trump was breathing back in 66. It may explain his tiny, diseased, swiss cheese brain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_New_York_City_smog

And for those that care to know the genesis of the Clean Air movement and later The Clean Air Act. Who says pollution does not kill: Donora Pennsylvania - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Donora_smog


Edited by Ujest Shurly (09/13/19 04:05 PM)
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#315330 - 09/14/19 04:30 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Trump thinks his VP's name is Mike Pounce. We can add that to Trump's list:

Windmill Cancer
Airports seized during the Revolutionary War
Oranges of the “Russer” investigation.
Raking the forest
Aircraft One
Sharpie on a NOAA map
Call his VP Mike “Pounce”

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#315332 - 09/14/19 05:08 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Trump thinks his VP's name is Mike Pounce. We can add that to Trump's list:

Windmill Cancer
Airports seized during the Revolutionary War
Oranges of the “Russer” investigation.
Raking the forest
Aircraft One
Sharpie on a NOAA map
Call his VP Mike “Pounce”

smile



It's kafkaesque.
Except Kafka would impeach Trump. LOL
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#315389 - 09/15/19 02:24 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Chilly here this morning, like the Oregon coast. Rained some all night, drizzly and drippy with a bit of fog settled in. We left the windows open, as is our routine for cooling the house for the next day, so it's now 60 degrees inside and out - may be a bit of an overreach. The house smells vaguely of maryjane, due to the partial hemp crop drying on string lines upstairs. Time for snuggling with dogs and cats under comforters, hot coffee, reading, and cogitating upon the human condition...
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#315396 - 09/15/19 03:06 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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Chilly here this morning, like the Oregon coast. Rained some all night, drizzly and drippy with a bit of fog settled in. We left the windows open, as is our routine for cooling the house for the next day, so it's now 60 degrees inside and out - may be a bit of an overreach. The house smells vaguely of maryjane, due to the partial hemp crop drying on string lines upstairs. Time for snuggling with dogs and cats under comforters, hot coffee, reading, and cogitating upon the human condition...
I'm currently in a similar condition. We have a timeshare condo that we visit quarterly. This week the weather is cloudy, 50-60s. When we arrived it was pleasant to sit in a condo that was 68 degrees, but, in the evening we discovered that heat wouldn't turn on. Uh-oh! Fortunately, my computer is generating heat, so my hands are warm.

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#315400 - 09/15/19 03:58 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The folks in this article are friends of mine...

Gila National Forest lookout
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#315401 - 09/15/19 04:31 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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We won't see that kind of weather until the dead of winter. And not much of it then.
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#315408 - 09/15/19 07:14 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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It's already starting to cool down here in SoCal, after a two week "heat wave", and I put that in quotes because after ten years in the American version of Saudi Arabia (Dallas) nothing is a real heat wave anymore...but it was 95 degrees so it was a bit warm for a spell.

Now fall will be in the air and in two weeks we'll barely see the A/C come on at all for the next six months. And we can open the windows laugh
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#315409 - 09/15/19 07:23 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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It's already starting to cool down here in SoCal, after a two week "heat wave"...

I was there from 09/06 to 09/10/19 in El Lay. Indeed warm, but not too bad. Upper 80s. Hmm
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#315417 - 09/15/19 08:19 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Now fall will be in the air and in two weeks we'll barely see the A/C come on at all for the next six months. And we can open the windows


That's pretty much the forecast here too.
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#315418 - 09/15/19 08:31 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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Now fall will be in the air and in two weeks we'll barely see the A/C come on at all for the next six months. And we can open the windows

That's pretty much the forecast here too.

What's A/C? I've heard of AOC...
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#315422 - 09/15/19 09:17 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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Now fall will be in the air and in two weeks we'll barely see the A/C come on at all for the next six months. And we can open the windows

That's pretty much the forecast here too.

What's A/C? I've heard of AOC...


Picture a compressor filled with Puron (modern equivalent of freon) and a condenser with a fan. The compressed gases absorb heat and the cooler liquified gas flows under pressure through the condenser and the fan circulates the cold air throughout the house.
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#315423 - 09/15/19 09:18 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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It's already starting to cool down here in SoCal, after a two week "heat wave"...

I was there from 09/06 to 09/10/19 in El Lay. Indeed warm, but not too bad. Upper 80s. Hmm


You sh!tbird, you should have let me know. Karen and I would have taken you out to lunch.
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#315449 - 09/16/19 08:07 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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We went to see “Yesterday” day before yesterday. It was interesting, simple and clean, full of excellent Beatles songs. I woke up with this one playing in my head and thought I’d share it as a metaphorical mental palate cleanser.

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#315458 - 09/16/19 03:39 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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We went to see “Yesterday” day before yesterday. It was interesting, simple and clean, full of excellent Beatles songs. I woke up with this one playing in my head and thought I’d share it as a metaphorical mental palate cleanser.



I love remembering the old classic Beatles films. But they were generally about "nothing", or employed a thin plot as veneer to peddle more Beatles music, which was perfectly fine by me because I just wanted to watch and listen to them performing. A few amusing vignettes connected by a thin thread was more than enough.

It's come to my attention that THIS film, however, has a real story behind it, which intrigues me. I'm aware of the basic plot elements.
I can't wait to see it.
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#315543 - 09/17/19 07:04 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I read one of the best insults in my experience recently. "That is a remarkably smooth brain you have." I'm looking for an opportunity to use it.

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#315550 - 09/17/19 07:39 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I read one of the best insults in my experience recently. "That is a remarkably smooth brain you have." I'm looking for an opportunity to use it.

It won't take long around here... coffee
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#315572 - 09/18/19 12:52 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Trump 2020:
incompetent, indecisive, intolerant and ineffective
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#315575 - 09/18/19 02:42 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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NutandYahoo refuses to concede election. This will be America's future too in November 2020 when the current occupant of the White House refuses to leave.

Hmm
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#315578 - 09/18/19 05:30 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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In violation of Israeli election laws, NutandYahoo repeatedly declared an "emergency" on Election Day by going on TV or Facebook convincing voters who have not voted that "Arabs" and "Leftists" are getting out the vote and the he needed Conservatives who had not voted to come out to vote for him.

We can expect the same kind of desperation in our election next year from Donald J Trump. Hmm
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#315582 - 09/18/19 12:43 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Looks like NutandYahoo lost the election in Israel and will face charges for corruption. Bibi's only chances of staying out of prison was to win re-election.

My hope is the same for Donald J Trump - that he loses re-election next November 2020 and is handed a bunch of indictments on his way out of the door of the White House. That couldn't happen to a better man.

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#315587 - 09/18/19 03:12 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Looks like NutandYahoo lost the election in Israel and will face charges for corruption. Bibi's only chances of staying out of prison was to win re-election.

My hope is the same for Donald J Trump - that he loses re-election next November 2020 and is handed a bunch of indictments on his way out of the door of the White House. That couldn't happen to a better man.

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I had the same thoughts.

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#315601 - 09/18/19 06:49 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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What Bibi knows is exactly what Trump, in his heart of hearts, must truly fear. The look of a different wall from the inside. The prison wall.

...

True, Donald Trump promised and failed to deliver a wall paid for by the Mexicans he so viciously incited against. And true, he has forced military families into distress, their children denied proper schools and other necessities, just to pay for part of the wall he’s failed to deliver.

But, from the first and all along, the flailing president had one strong, imposing wall to fall back on. And now it’s gone. It was called Benjamin Netanyahu.

- Haaretz.com

Ouch. Does anybody like Donald J Trump besides his sycophants? smile
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#315603 - 09/18/19 06:59 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Even they don't like him.
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#315608 - 09/19/19 02:39 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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The internet is exploding right now over news that a DNI employee overheard "the guy in the WH" make a promise to a foreign leader unbeknownst to anyone else.

The whistleblower did things the right way by going to Intelligence Community Inspector General. IG found report credible and “urgent,” and now the acting Director of National Intelligence refusing to hand over the whistleblower complaint to the House Intelligence Committee on orders from Burr's DOJ and the Committee has ordered the acting DNI guy to speak behind close doors tomorrow.

#TRE45ON

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#315609 - 09/19/19 02:48 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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#315610 - 09/19/19 02:51 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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#TRE45ON

No...EM0LUM3NT5

Whichever one sends Donald J Trump to prison the quickest, works for me. smile
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#315611 - 09/19/19 03:08 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Found a good summary of the above:

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'Credible' Whistleblower Complaint Reportedly Involved Trump Pledge To Foreign Leader.


Trumps loyal acting DNI Director fails to follow the law & brief the gang of 8 but instead consults Trumps loyal AG and White House neither of which should be involved.


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#315612 - 09/19/19 03:35 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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What Bibi knows is exactly what Trump, in his heart of hearts, must truly fear. The look of a different wall from the inside. The prison wall.

Oh look! My leftist agenda is just falling into place all around me!
Bibi's going down and then Trump a year later.

Zippity doo dah.....
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#315613 - 09/19/19 03:53 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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What Bibi knows is exactly what Trump, in his heart of hearts, must truly fear. The look of a different wall from the inside. The prison wall.

Oh look! My leftist agenda is just falling into place all around me!
Bibi's going down and then Trump a year later.

Zippity doo dah.....

There's nothing worse than a Conservative ruining...erm, running a country. coffee
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#315614 - 09/19/19 03:58 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Bibi is probably extremely beside himself that the Arabs picked up 13 seats in the Knesset. smile
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#315615 - 09/19/19 04:16 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Getting back to Donald J Trump, several intelligence blogs are saying the intel rumors flying through the entire intel community is that Trump revealed the names of CIA operatives undercover in return for getting him re-elected in 2020. Remember, in November 2016 when Trump was elected, a CIA agent was extracted from the Kremlin who has working ties ties to Putin.

Also in February 2017, Trump told a visiting Russian envoy about what the CIA knew about Syria, and in May 2017, the day after Trump fired Comey, Trump met with Russians again with no American press present and discuss Israeli intelligence with them.

#TrumpIsCompromised

Jul 31: Trump has shady undisclosed call with Putin about "forest fires." (It was about "normalizing" relations.

Aug 8: Coats and Gordon out at DNI

Aug 12: Maguire in at DNI

Also Aug 12: Whistleblower complains to ICIG
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#315679 - 09/20/19 06:12 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Someone threw a beer at Trump during his rally in Indianapolis.
Not to worry, it was a DRAFT, so Trump easily dodged it!
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#315681 - 09/20/19 07:42 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#315682 - 09/20/19 10:08 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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There really is no need for civilians to have military-grade guns. Hmm
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#315691 - 09/21/19 10:04 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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There really is no need for civilians to have military-grade guns. Hmm
The II Amendment is one of the Bill of RIGHTS not the bill of needs. The purpose of right to keep and bear arms is to prevent our government from taking away an individuals right to protect themselves. While an AR-15 is an inappropriate weapon in this situation once our government bans the ownership of an AR-15 what is to stop it from taking other types of guns? Nothing! If the victim in this situation had had a gun he would not have been assaulted. If he has an AR-15 at home his home would be safe.

Why we have the II Amendment

Colt said it will suspend making AR-15's but eventually will start making them again.

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"The fact of the matter is that over the last few years, the market for modern sporting rifles has experienced significant excess manufacturing capacity," Colt Defense LLC president and CEO Dennis Veilleux said in a statement Thursday. "Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future."

The law of supply and demand in action is why Colt has temporarily stopped making the AR-15.
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#315692 - 09/21/19 10:19 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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There really is no need for civilians to have military-grade guns. Hmm
The II Amendment is one of the Bill of RIGHTS not the bill of needs. The purpose of right to keep and bear arms is to prevent our government from taking away an individuals right to protect themselves. While an AR-15 is an inappropriate weapon in this situation once our government bans the ownership of an AR-15 what is to stop it from taking other types of guns? Nothing! If the victim in this situation had had a gun he would not have been assaulted. If he has an AR-15 at home his home would be safe.

Why we have the II Amendment

Colt said it will suspend making AR-15's but eventually will start making them again.

Quote:
"The fact of the matter is that over the last few years, the market for modern sporting rifles has experienced significant excess manufacturing capacity," Colt Defense LLC president and CEO Dennis Veilleux said in a statement Thursday. "Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future."

The law of supply and demand in action is why Colt has temporarily stopped making the AR-15.

Kind sir, as you may recall from high school civics class, the 2A only addresses militias. It was only when Scalia the Conservative "Originalist" SCOTUS member legislated from the bench did "militias" become individuals like the lying conniving sociopath that Scalia was.

Therefore, from an true Originalist perspective, individuals do not have the right to own guns, but their militia does.

I hope this clarification helps. smile

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#315693 - 09/21/19 10:27 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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I guess the tortured logic is that schoolkids and concertgoers and nightclubbers have the right to carry AR-15s to protect themselves against mass murderers?

My dog says that is probably not the best solution to the problem.
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#315696 - 09/21/19 11:31 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer

There really is no need for civilians to have military-grade guns. Hmm
The II Amendment is one of the Bill of RIGHTS not the bill of needs. The purpose of right to keep and bear arms is to prevent our government from taking away an individuals right to protect themselves. While an AR-15 is an inappropriate weapon in this situation once our government bans the ownership of an AR-15 what is to stop it from taking other types of guns? Nothing! If the victim in this situation had had a gun he would not have been assaulted. If he has an AR-15 at home his home would be safe.

Why we have the II Amendment

Colt said it will suspend making AR-15's but eventually will start making them again.

Quote:
"The fact of the matter is that over the last few years, the market for modern sporting rifles has experienced significant excess manufacturing capacity," Colt Defense LLC president and CEO Dennis Veilleux said in a statement Thursday. "Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future."

The law of supply and demand in action is why Colt has temporarily stopped making the AR-15.

Kind sir, as you may recall from high school civics class, the 2A only addresses militias. It was only when Scalia the Conservative "Originalist" SCOTUS member legislated from the bench did "militias" become individuals like the lying conniving sociopath that Scalia was.

Therefore, from an true Originalist perspective, individuals do not have the right to own guns, but their militia does.

I hope this clarification helps. smile


Read the book Origins of the Bill of Rights, chapter 6, by Leonard W. Levy (Yale University Press copyright 1999). In that chapter Professor Levy explains how the II Amendment is an individual right. The book was written before Justice Scalia was on the Supreme Court and it clarifies the real originalist meaning of the II Amendment.
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#315697 - 09/21/19 11:56 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Read the book Origins of the Bill of Rights, chapter 6, by Leonard W. Levy (Yale University Press copyright 1999). In that chapter Professor Levy explains how the II Amendment is an individual right.

You're gonna have to sell your case a little better before you persuade me to go hunt down and buy an out of print book to read chapter 6 just to find out if yer blowing smoke up my ass again! LOL

Funny guy!
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#315698 - 09/22/19 12:34 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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#315700 - 09/22/19 12:46 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Read the book Origins of the Bill of Rights, chapter 6, by Leonard W. Levy (Yale University Press copyright 1999). In that chapter Professor Levy explains how the II Amendment is an individual right. The book was written before Justice Scalia was on the Supreme Court and it clarifies the real originalist meaning of the II Amendment.

While some guy named Leonard wrote a book, Scalia as one of the nine SCOTUS judges affects every American's life.

In this case, Scalia gave permission for individuals to own guns, and the NRA promoted ownership of killing machines that can cause mass inflection of damage in the shortest amount of time.

Hmm
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#315703 - 09/22/19 01:02 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Uh ohh, cracks are beginning to form around the celebrated-very nearly coronated front runner...

Liz Warren has edged past Joe Biden in the Des Moines Register/CNN poll.
The poll is considered a local gold standard, and everyone recognizes the critical and strategic importance of Iowa in POTUS electoral politics.

Elizabeth Warren edges out Joe Biden for lead in Des Moines Register Iowa poll

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The last Register/CNN poll, in June, had Biden leading with 24 percent and Warren in the third spot at 15 percent, slightly behind Bernie Sanders, who came in second with 16 percent support.
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#315705 - 09/22/19 02:35 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Liz Warren has edged past Joe Biden in the Des Moines Register/CNN poll.

The poll is considered a local gold standard, and everyone recognizes the critical and strategic importance of Iowa in POTUS electoral politics.

I love Lizzy - I really, really do. But if it's her and Trump, I'm afraid Trump will have a 2nd term.

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#315706 - 09/22/19 02:50 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Read the book Origins of the Bill of Rights, chapter 6, by Leonard W. Levy (Yale University Press copyright 1999). In that chapter Professor Levy explains how the II Amendment is an individual right. The book was written before Justice Scalia was on the Supreme Court and it clarifies the real originalist meaning of the II Amendment.

While some guy named Leonard wrote a book, Scalia as one of the nine SCOTUS judges affects every American's life.

In this case, Scalia gave permission for individuals to own guns, and the NRA promoted ownership of killing machines that can cause mass inflection of damage in the shortest amount of time.

Hmm


But we pretty much already had permission as individuals to own guns long before that. But a large portion of us hadn't yet been indoctrinated in reality tee vee to the point where we can't distinguish between it and reality.

What I'm getting at is, some of this is environmental and you and I are not the first to say "There goes the neighborhood."
A lot of folks around the world are saying it.

They didn't used to as much. Of course they thought our 2A was unusual but it didn't crop up as much in everyday conversation.
They don't have much choice but to do just that when they see the news every single day from America, another shooting, and nothing done about it.

We have been taught to interact with guns in a very different manner than in the past. Not just the shooters, all of us.

Even people who in the past had the same adamant anti-gun beliefs as now were different. I knew maybe two or even three people who were very anti-gun when I was a youngster. One of them was the old lady I took piano lessons from, and she was an old Southern lady!
Truda E. D'Andelet was born and raised in Louisiana.
She worked for "the telephone company" as a "0" Operator.
And she sounded like one, unless she got upset!

But get this: she was a lesbian, and so were her two roommates!
They lived together in the house across the street from me for most of my childhood.

They had one roomie named Mary Katherine who was very butch, and I am going to guess she was maybe 2A friendly, just a gut feeling.
I am sure all three of them are in the ground now, they were old when I was a baby.

But "Miss Trudy" just hissed quiet disapproval the day she saw me playing rifles with my little buddy, clucking her tongue and whispering about lawdy lawdy.
We were a couple of kids with toy guns and she just didn't like them but she never brought it up at my next piano lesson.

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#315707 - 09/22/19 03:37 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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The "well regulated" part gets ignored a lot too.
These particular weapons seem to be fetishized by angry young white men who probably shouldn't own weapons.

I got nuthin' against firearms or anybody's rights to have them. This AR-15 thing seems to fall along the same lines as the old Thompson sub-machine gun. Bad guys can do too much damage too fast with them. I don't even see a reason for an outright ban on them as long as a special license and registration be required.

Let's just try to keep them out of the hands of crazy people. You put one of these things in some people's hands and suddenly they're Rambo and on a mission...y'know...?
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#315712 - 09/22/19 04:39 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Read the book Origins of the Bill of Rights, chapter 6, by Leonard W. Levy (Yale University Press copyright 1999). In that chapter Professor Levy explains how the II Amendment is an individual right. The book was written before Justice Scalia was on the Supreme Court and it clarifies the real originalist meaning of the II Amendment.

While some guy named Leonard wrote a book, Scalia as one of the nine SCOTUS judges affects every American's life.

In this case, Scalia gave permission for individuals to own guns, and the NRA promoted ownership of killing machines that can cause mass inflection of damage in the shortest amount of time.

Hmm

Originally Posted By: logtroll
You're gonna have to sell your case a little better before you persuade me to go hunt down and buy an out of print book to read chapter 6 just to find out if yer blowing smoke up my ass again!

The II Amendment
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The second interpretation is that the 2nd Amendment's purpose does not only refer to the state's need for security, but to individual self-defense. This argument relies on precedent in English common law and colonial history and refers to many state constitutions and court decisions that have defined the right to bear arms as an individual right.
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In addition, this interpretation relies on the fact that James Madison originally proposed this amendment as an insertion into the Constitution's Article I, Section 9, between clauses 3 and 4. This section mentions prohibitions on suspension of habeas corpus, bills of attainder and ex post facto laws. All of these are individual civil rights that are used by citizens to defend themselves against unjust government officials. All of these limit the power of the government.

Since this is where Madison believed the insertion of the 2nd Amendment should go, this interpretation says, he must have understood the right to bear arms as an individual right. If Madison had intended "the right to bear arms" only as a state right, he should have included the 2nd Amendment in Article I, Section 8, which describes Congress' military power over the militia.

All of Madison's original amendments were meant as insertions into the Constitution and not as a list at the end. The decision to add them at the end was made by Congress after he proposed them.

United States v. Emerson 1999
"Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be, construed as an individual right."
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The right of the individual to keep and use weapons has a long tradition in Western civilization. The Greek philosopher Aristotle (384–322 B.C.) wrote in Politics that ownership of weapons was necessary for true citizenship and participation in the political system. By contrast, another Greek philosopher, Plato (428–348 B.C.), wrote in the Republic that he believed in a monarchy with few liberties and saw the disarming of the populace as essential to the maintenance of an orderly and autocratic system. The Roman politician Marcus Tullius Cicero (106–43 B.C.) wrote in De Officiis of his support of bearing arms for self-defense of the individual and for public defense against tyranny. The Italian political philosopher Niccolò Machiavelli (1469–1527) advocated in Discourse an armed populace of citizen-soldiers to keep headstrong rulers in line.

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#315715 - 09/22/19 12:14 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Why do people who are obsessed with owning weapons for defense, especially for imagined defense against tyranny, always end up with such loopy arguments for support?

It might be easier to take on the issue from a different angle than gun ownership rights, since the real problem in question is that of innocent people getting shot. It is always the case with “rights” that when they conflict with other rights there has to be a boundary created, a limitation, a regulation. In the contest of to kill, or not to be killed, what is the answer, Hatrack? What is the corresponding responsibility of gun owners to coexist with the right of people to be safe from being shot?

Let me make it simple - what do you propose as a solution for gun violence?
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#315717 - 09/22/19 01:17 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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It pretty much comes down to this: People paranoid their government will impose tyranny on them or somehow be harmed by someone else versus an innocent bystander's right not to be killed or maimed by firearms.

Hmm
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#315724 - 09/22/19 03:22 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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what do you propose as a solution for gun violence?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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#315725 - 09/22/19 03:34 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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#315731 - 09/22/19 04:45 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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Why do people who are obsessed with owning weapons for defense, especially for imagined defense against tyranny, always end up with such loopy arguments for support?

It might be easier to take on the issue from a different angle than gun ownership rights, since the real problem in question is that of innocent people getting shot. It is always the case with “rights” that when they conflict with other rights there has to be a boundary created, a limitation, a regulation. In the contest of to kill, or not to be killed, what is the answer, Hatrack? What is the corresponding responsibility of gun owners to coexist with the right of people to be safe from being shot?

Let me make it simple - what do you propose as a solution for gun violence?
The imaginary problem of "gun violence" is caused by people who are violent and a gun is just the tool that they use. That people are violent is a problem that cannot be solved. Humans are and always have been violent animals. The idea that you think will work, taking guns away from people, does not work. Your belief that the fear of tyranny exists only in people's minds is not supported by history. The greatest murderers are governments. Mass murder by governments
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#315733 - 09/22/19 04:50 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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And more denial and excuses....

An imaginary problem resulting in thousands of imaginary deaths. No problem, no need of a solution, carry on, nothing to see here.
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#315737 - 09/22/19 05:18 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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The imaginary problem of "gun violence" is caused by people who are violent and a gun is just the tool that they use. That people are violent is a problem that cannot be solved.

Perhaps you know why your country has so much more of the "problem that cannot be solved " than most other countries do?
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#315743 - 09/22/19 06:48 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Obama killed bin Laden.
Trump killed Harley Davidson.

Vote Democrat in 2020

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#315745 - 09/22/19 07:21 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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69 percent of registered voters say they don’t like Trump personally. Sounds about right. smile
NBC / WSJ poll 09/22/19

...from the same poll, isn't this interesting? smile



The Dem strategy should be to focus on all gray-bar responses over 51% for the 2020 Dem platform. Hmm
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#315761 - 09/23/19 01:09 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#315768 - 09/23/19 07:04 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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It pretty much comes down to this: People paranoid their government will impose tyranny on them or somehow be harmed by someone else versus an innocent bystander's right not to be killed or maimed by firearms.

Hmm

What's strange to me though, is that it looks to me that, with our current administration, we are heading to a tyrannical government - and not one gun shot was fired.

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#315771 - 09/23/19 08:46 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#315772 - 09/23/19 09:31 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: BC]
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This administration is not bound by the same rules that apply to the rest of us....
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#315773 - 09/23/19 09:32 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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What do you mean, "Maybe it's a Michigan thing..."?

Of course, it is a Michigan thing. For over a century, only emergency and maintenance vehicles are allowed on the Island. From the airport to the Grand Hotel it is fairly, heavily forested and the air is fresh and natural. No place on the island is far from any place else and a horse and buggy get you there with a relaxing ride.

The only way to the island is by boat or small aircraft. The island is about 5 miles (ca. 8 km) away from the main land (the upper peninsula) and the straits both of them have strong currents making it diffucult to swim to the island, plus all the lake ship traffic just adds to the hazard. So, it is easy to control who gets to the island. This rule about motor vehicles has been in existence since 1898. Mackinac Island is also an Historical Preservation location as well as a State Park.

Here is a Wiki link to information about the Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackinac_Island

Come to Michigan, go to Mackinac Island for a few days...
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#315775 - 09/23/19 11:26 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I was there a little over 2 years ago. Mackinac was on my bucket list for 50 years. It did not disappoint. Pence is a jerk. I'm not surprised, really, that it created this stir.
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#315778 - 09/24/19 12:26 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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What do you mean, "Maybe it's a Michigan thing..."?

Come to Michigan, go to Mackinac Island for a few days...


Born & bred Michigander. Camp a couple weeks at the Straits every year. Lived in the UP about 7 years. Spent the day after getting married (1979) in the Soo on the island, when, by the way, they were filming ‘Somewhere in Time’ and saw two little sports cars parked by the Grand Hotel...didn’t know what they were doing at the time, but knew it was wrong. Celebrated our 40th wedding anniversary there Memorial weekend this year. wink

Just thought I’d add my avatar is me standing on the island after walking the bridge on Labor Day - 50th anniversary of Big Mac...done that ten times, including the last 6 years.


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#315785 - 09/24/19 06:15 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I heard on the car radio news today that Pence's entourage went onto some island in Michigan over the weekend and brought vehicles onto the island where there had not been a car in 100 years. Hmm
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#315788 - 09/24/19 11:26 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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I heard on the car radio news today that Pence's entourage went onto some island in Michigan over the weekend and brought vehicles onto the island where there had not been a car in 100 years. Hmm


Rick, I’d repeat Ujest Shurly’s line, “Come to Michigan, go to Mackinac Island for a few days”. You’ll understand.
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#315815 - 09/24/19 09:55 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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She did it!! smile , Bow
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#315821 - 09/24/19 10:45 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Welp, Donald J Trump finally...FINALLY did something that Barack Obama didn't do: Trump got himself a formal impeachment inquiry.

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#315823 - 09/24/19 11:36 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#315824 - 09/25/19 12:57 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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She did it!! smile , Bow


I kept telling y'all but you didn't believe me!
Aunt Nancy does not believe in half measures.
And she's going to run this sucker like a top surgeon runs an operating room.

CLEAN.
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#315828 - 09/25/19 03:32 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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Why do people who are obsessed with owning weapons for defense, especially for imagined defense against tyranny, always end up with such loopy arguments for support?
An imagined defense against tyranny? Apparently you've never heard Battle of Athens in 1946. Because American citizens had guns they could, and did remove the tyrannical government from the city of Athens, TN. The natural right to keep and bear arms is protected by our Constitution.
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#315829 - 09/25/19 04:04 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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“We abolished one machine only to replace it with another and more powerful one in the making.”

The GI Government collapsed in 1947 and was replaced with a clique similar to the one they had been fighting against.
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#315830 - 09/25/19 04:05 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Do people have a ‘natural right’ to preserve their lives by passing protections from small arms fire?

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#315835 - 09/25/19 06:31 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Do people have a ‘natural right’ to preserve their lives by passing protections from small arms fire?

I asked that very same question. Never got a response. Hmm
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#315837 - 09/25/19 11:50 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Do people have a ‘natural right’ to preserve their lives by passing protections from small arms fire?

I asked that very same question. Never got a response. Hmm


I must have missed that one.
Of course people have a right to protect themselves from lunatics who are so unsprung that gun ownership is a bad idea for them.
And to that end I am in favor of whatever reasonable steps necessary to separate out such lunatics.

Speaking of the so called "protection against tyranny" factor, while I am fairly certain that the average gaggle of law abiding citizen gun owners like myself don't have a fart's chance in Hell against the United States military, I nevertheless am confident that ownership does avail me of extra options in more localized instances of "tyranny", which usually boils down to individual and unauthorized demonstrations of same where my own life and lives and safety of my loved ones are concerned.

In other words, us law abiding citizens might not be able to defeat the US military but we can certainly stand our ground against random rogue elements that may shake out during instances of civil unrest, and that would also include instances where certain ragtag self-proclaimed pseudo-authorities decide to take matters into their own hands.
What I'm saying is, while my firearm might be useless against an organized state sponsored expression of military might, I am confident that a group of organized citizens can and should protect themselves from rogue unauthorized paramilitary nutjobs.

I don't imagine myself to be any kind of vigilante, or amateur neighborhood watch, or amateur enforcer, or amateur toy soldier, but I do see myself as an ordinary simple law abiding person who intends to protect myself and my family from anyone who may wish to enter my property either in criminal malfeasance or "acting under false color of authority".

One of the reasons so many innocent families down in certain Latin American countries wind up victimized so badly by violence is that many of these countries disarm their civilians while simultaneously playing fast and loose with the definition of what constitutes military and law enforcement.

I daresay that the average Guatemalan cannot tell the difference between law enforcement, the Guatemalan military and a ragtag group of men who just put on some fatigues, strapped themselves with a gun and proclaimed themselves as a militia...under circumstances that for whom and for what is often the subject of mystery.

We here in this country are witnessing a slightly similar state of affairs, where an Ammon Bundy clan or some Oath Smellers can don some milsurp attire, strap on some guns and call themselves whatever they like, and a good many average yokels think they are the law.

Last but not least, let us not forget that, at some point in any military altercation, if the mission is muddied enough, and enough of the local citizenry have decided they have nothing left to lose, every once in a while, a bunch of poorly armed civilians HAVE INDEED defeated the mightiest military forces in history...sent them home packing, sent them home sapped of the will to fight.

The price may be astronomical, but in the end that is what we've witnessed in real time, unfolding before us an ocean away.
Let us hope to God it never gets that bad over here, because many of us will be long gone and bloody in the ground before it ever reaches that point.
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#315846 - 09/25/19 01:44 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Last but not least, let us not forget that, at some point in any military altercation, if the mission is muddied enough, and enough of the local citizenry have decided they have nothing left to lose, every once in a while, a bunch of poorly armed civilians HAVE INDEED defeated the mightiest military forces in history...sent them home packing, sent them home sapped of the will to fight.

The price may be astronomical, but in the end that is what we've witnessed in real time, unfolding before us an ocean away.
Let us hope to God it never gets that bad over here, because many of us will be long gone and bloody in the ground before it ever reaches that point.


Historically, what gets practiced on the periphery of empires eventually get implemented in the homeland as well. Neoliberalism has been imposing harsh punishment to the poor for awhile now. They’ve also militarized the domestic police force. We now have concentration camps. It looks like we’re moving in a predictable pattern.


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#315891 - 09/26/19 12:56 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Historically, what gets practiced on the periphery of empires eventually get implemented in the homeland as well. Neoliberalism has been imposing harsh punishment to the poor for awhile now. They’ve also militarized the domestic police force. We now have concentration camps. It looks like we’re moving in a predictable pattern.


Exciting isn't it? And there's a resistance building that might just be able to turn the tide! I feel blessed by the goddess to be alive to watch this play out!
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#315905 - 09/26/19 03:37 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Michael Moore's suggested Impeachment Time Table:

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Keep the Impeachment SIMPLE:
1. ONE WEEK to compile charges based on Trump’s confessions, whistleblowers report & prosecutor’s evidence.
2. FOUR DAYS of hearings
3. Committee votes-1 hr.
4. Debate on House floor-4 days.
5. House votes-1 hr.
DONE.
Move on to removing Trump 11/3/20


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#315921 - 09/26/19 03:31 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Just have to say this...

I am actually strangely reassured by the current storm affecting the U.S.

An American colleague of mine was asking about the Canadian perspective on your current travails, about a year and a half ago. I told him that America has faced far worse and survived, usually coming out a better place in the end. The population is, overall, well educated, and by a good margin Americans are well intentioned people who try to do the right thing. I said that he lived in a robust society, so as painful as it all might be, I said I was optimistic.

We might be wincing a bit, watching as we do from our lawn chairs on our side of the Niagara River, but do I think America will be an even better place for all of this.

And it could be far worse: you could live in the UK.

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#315943 - 09/26/19 10:00 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: SimonSC]
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Just have to say this...

I am actually strangely reassured by the current storm affecting the U.S.

An American colleague of mine was asking about the Canadian perspective on your current travails, about a year and a half ago. I told him that America has faced far worse and survived, usually coming out a better place in the end. The population is, overall, well educated, and by a good margin Americans are well intentioned people who try to do the right thing. I said that he lived in a robust society, so as painful as it all might be, I said I was optimistic.

We might be wincing a bit, watching as we do from our lawn chairs on our side of the Niagara River, but do I think America will be an even better place for all of this.

And it could be far worse: you could live in the UK.


God in Heaven I hope you're right.
And I hope that somehow, our revival winds up including some kind of universal health care...maybe not the exact same thing you guys have up there but something similar, better than what we have right now.

It's wonderful to have a Canadian on this board, healthy perspective from outside the scrum.

PS: Brexit? It's a Russian hoax, yes?
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#315965 - 09/27/19 01:59 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#315970 - 09/27/19 02:18 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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I know, I saw that this morning and both Karen and I guffawed hard, and Karen was barely awake when it flashed on the screen, but she woke up very quickly!

"What the Hell? Who is that?" (puts on her glasses)"

"OMG OMG, they're throwing..."

"Yup, Twumpy and Rudy are throwing Uncle Sam off a bridge, mobster style."

"Hee hee, so true! Perfect!"

One of my other favorites is this one from right after the Helsinki Meeting:

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#315971 - 09/27/19 02:23 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Yours is way more disturbing than mine. crazy
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#315984 - 09/27/19 04:13 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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If you want to talk about disturbing things, how much ya wanna bet this guy was some kind of MAGA hero who wanted to sabotage The Libtard Paradise? (California)

Police: Alleged 68-Year-Old Arsonist Flew From Missouri To Set South Bay Fires



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Graham allegedly drove a rental car along the narrow, windy roads between Ed Levin Park and the Calaveras Reservoir, starting fires as he went.

“The fires were set with a lighter, setting pieces of paper on fire and then throwing it out the window of the car,” explained Porter.

A witness who became suspicious after spotting Graham’s car near the fires turned the license plate over to investigators.

Cal Fire officers arrested Graham when he tried to return the car at Mineta San Jose International Airport.
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#315985 - 09/27/19 04:36 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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What a sociopath. crazy
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Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh
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#315991 - 09/27/19 06:28 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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And it could be far worse: you could live in the UK.

PS: Brexit? It's a Russian hoax, yes?


As far as I know, but not that much of a hoax as such. I'm not sure who else benefits having the governments behind 2 seats on the UN Security Council paralysed by internal politics and weakened by introspective and insular nationalism.

Despite everything, I'm fairly sure the Chinese are more concerned with their own problems and would prefer a little more predictability, and the French seem to be looking on with horror.

I reminded a Brit, beside whom I sat on a flight a while ago, that Britain's prosperity of the 19th and early 20th century, (much celebrated with great nostalgia, it seems) was the result of extreme resource extraction from the colonies... and that we remaining colonials got the wild idea in, oh, 1918, that we'd rather not play along.

(Well, 1837 too, but that fizzled.)

(Oh, and it remains (pun intended) to be seen if the Scots and the Northern Irish are going to tag along for the ride. Wales... no idea.)


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#315999 - 09/27/19 09:45 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I’ve been snorting and haw hawing at Jonathan Pie’s ongoing satire of the unfolding political rewrite happening in the UK. Much better, imo, than the infotainment bureaus:



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#316013 - 09/28/19 06:33 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Robert Mueller:

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You mean I could have written a 2-page whistle blower report instead?


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#316016 - 09/28/19 06:50 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh

Clinton Foundation Yeah, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is as pure as the driven snow.
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#316017 - 09/28/19 09:02 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh

Clinton Foundation Yeah, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is as pure as the driven snow.
It is nice that you finally acknowledge that.
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#316018 - 09/28/19 09:07 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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What a sociopath
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faithful, Trump-supporting, lib-hating patriot
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#316024 - 09/28/19 01:36 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: SimonSC]
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(Oh, and it remains (pun intended) to be seen if the Scots and the Northern Irish are going to tag along for the ride. Wales... no idea.)

Ah... seems Wales is considering splitting off; it's a particularly popular idea for the 18-24 year old set if it means staying in the EU.

Trigger warning: the above link is to a newspaper which you, my American friends, might find uncomfortably beyond any concept of "left" that you usually consider, while sounding sensible and carefully edited; this may cause temporary blindness, dizziness and seizures. grin

... sorry, couldn't resist ...

... gnyaahh, I'm such a Canadian...


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#316030 - 09/28/19 05:11 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: SimonSC]
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Originally Posted By: SimonSC
Originally Posted By: SimonSC

(Oh, and it remains (pun intended) to be seen if the Scots and the Northern Irish are going to tag along for the ride. Wales... no idea.)

Ah... seems Wales is considering splitting off; it's a particularly popular idea for the 18-24 year old set if it means staying in the EU.

Trigger warning: the above link is to a newspaper which you, my American friends, might find uncomfortably beyond any concept of "left" that you usually consider, while sounding sensible and carefully edited; this may cause temporary blindness, dizziness and seizures. grin

... sorry, couldn't resist ...

... gnyaahh, I'm such a Canadian...


Pfffttt, I read the Guardian all the time. I've even sent them five or ten bucks on occasion. wink
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#316031 - 09/28/19 05:12 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland should all vote to leave the UK and remain in the EU. smile
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#316034 - 09/28/19 05:23 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland should all vote to leave the UK and remain in the EU. smile


Not a very "United" Kingdom if that happens, is it?
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#316036 - 09/28/19 05:24 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland should all vote to leave the UK and remain in the EU. smile


Not a very "United" Kingdom if that happens, is it?

Nope, but that's what the dummies who for voted for Brexit perhaps didn't think through? Hmm

Oh well. coffee
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#316037 - 09/28/19 05:30 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Looks like Rudy is getting a serious case of the flop sweats. Mr. Giuliani has made several television appearances this week defending himself, mostly on Fox News' prime-time show "The Angle" with Laura Ingraham. Mr. Giuliani is enmeshed in President Trump's Ukrainian quagmire - even self-labeling himself as a "hero." rolleyes

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#316038 - 09/28/19 05:38 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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When the going gets narrow.
Don't do it, don't do it.

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#316085 - 09/29/19 03:10 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#316091 - 09/29/19 04:52 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Some people are looking at Trump's people's habit of classifying embarrassing stuff as top secret and putting it in that off-line server. In light of that, they are wondering if the memo describing Trump's meeting with the Russian ambassador in which he gave away top-secret information is in there as well. Apparently, Mueller did not receive a copy of that memo. This may be what Mueller was talking about when he said that Obstruction of Justice prevented him from fully investigating.

One nice thing about the current stuff, is that there is no need to argue what exactly constitutes "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" because the constitution explicitly mentions Bribery as grounds for impeachment. Trumps actions with the Ukraine clearly qualify as soliciting a bribe.

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#316092 - 09/29/19 05:03 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh

Clinton Foundation Yeah, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is as pure as the driven snow.
It is nice that you finally acknowledge that.

And you admit that Hillary Rodham Clinton is corrupt.
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#316100 - 09/29/19 06:49 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
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Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh

Clinton Foundation Yeah, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is as pure as the driven snow.
It is nice that you finally acknowledge that.

And you admit that Hillary Rodham Clinton is corrupt.
Uh, how do you get from "pUre as the driven snow" to "corrupt"? How are your ESL classes going?

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#316101 - 09/29/19 07:17 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
[quote=pdx rick]

Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh

Clinton Foundation Yeah, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is as pure as the driven snow.
It is nice that you finally acknowledge that.

And you admit that Hillary Rodham Clinton is corrupt.
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Uh, how do you get from "pUre as the driven snow" to "corrupt"? How are your ESL classes going?
Better than yours are. When the phrase "pure as the driven snow" is used to describe someone it means that are corrupt. As an example "Al Capone has never broken the law, he is as pure as the driven snow." It is the use of a contradictory phrase to prove the opposite.
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#316103 - 09/29/19 09:41 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I forgot you were steeped in the language of Conrot.

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#316135 - 09/30/19 09:18 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I forgot you were steeped in the language of Conrot.
With stupid comments like that one NW it is very difficult to take you seriously. Here is another example of how I used the phrase "pure as the driven snow."
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pure as the driven snow
pure and chaste. (Often used ironically. *Also: as ~.) Jill: Sue must have gone to bed with every man in town. Jane: And I always thought she was as pure as the driven snow. Robert was notoriously promiscuous, but tried to convince all his girlfriends that he was pure as the driven snow.
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#316156 - 10/01/19 03:11 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Mike Pompaeo and Seb Gorka just left for Rome together, this afternoon. A literal NAZi and an apocalyptical evangelical - this can't be good for America. crazy
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#316158 - 10/01/19 03:31 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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I forgot you were steeped in the language of Conrot.
With stupid comments like that one NW it is very difficult to take you seriously. Here is another example of how I used the phrase "pure as the driven snow."
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pure as the driven snow
pure and chaste. (Often used ironically. *Also: as ~.) Jill: Sue must have gone to bed with every man in town. Jane: And I always thought she was as pure as the driven snow. Robert was notoriously promiscuous, but tried to convince all his girlfriends that he was pure as the driven snow.

Have you ever heard of the term “ConROT”?
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#316161 - 10/01/19 04:09 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#316166 - 10/01/19 12:36 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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LawBlog has put out an excellent timeline of events leading-up to the Ukraine story and it's background of how it percolated-up through rightwing media to the President's desk.

The Washington Post has a timeline as well.

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#316209 - 10/03/19 03:12 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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If you like subpoena coladas,
and getting caught in Ukraine...
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#316214 - 10/03/19 05:13 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Armed Militias Are Taking Trump's Civil War Tweets Seriously

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The constitutions of 48 states include provisions that require the military to be at all times subordinate to the civil authority. That means that private, unregulated and unauthorized militias—operating wholly outside of the civilian governmental authority and public accountability—are prohibited by state law.
There is good reason for this. As prominent historian and scholar A.E. Dick Howard wrote in 1974 in “Commentaries on the Constitution of Virginia,” the Virginia constitution’s ban on private militias “ensures the right of all citizens ... to live free from the fear of an alien soldiery commanded by men who are not responsible to law and the political process.”


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#316215 - 10/03/19 05:15 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#316222 - 10/03/19 04:33 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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If you like subpoena coladas,
and getting caught in Ukraine...
Still laughing about that one.

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#316227 - 10/03/19 07:58 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I heard they have an open Barr at the White House...

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#316229 - 10/03/19 08:06 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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[quote=NW Ponderer]I forgot you were steeped in the language of Conrot.
With stupid comments like that one NW it is very difficult to take you seriously. Here is another example of how I used the phrase "pure as the driven snow."
Quote:
pure as the driven snow
pure and chaste. (Often used ironically. *Also: as ~.) Jill: Sue must have gone to bed with every man in town. Jane: And I always thought she was as pure as the driven snow. Robert was notoriously promiscuous, but tried to convince all his girlfriends that he was pure as the driven snow.

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Have you ever heard of the term “ConROT”?
Is there a term LibROT? If there isn't, and I doubt that there is, it shows how biased against conservatives the people here at the Rant are.
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#316235 - 10/03/19 10:14 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Hey, has anybody wondered what Dr. Gorka's been doing lately?
Hey, he's hawking fish oil supplements on TV!



The "good doctor" now joins a host of other RW has beens:
Dana Loesch, the former face of the NRA, appears in ads for SuperBeets, a purported energy supplement made from beetroots; Ben Shapiro, podcast host and creator of the Daily Wire, uses his platform to push BrickHouse Nutrition’s brain stimulants; and Alex Jones, America’s top conspiracy theorist and InfoWars host, famously has his own supplement company that hawks products with names like “Super Male Vitality” and “Brain Force Plus.”

PS: Gorka got a PhD in political science from Corvinus University of Budapest, and now he insists everyone refer to him as "Doctor Gorka".

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#316237 - 10/04/19 12:17 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Just got back from a constituent "one-on-one" session with our Congresswoman. I signed up because I had a pitch to make (biochar and the Green New Deal) and a problem with a federal agency that I need help with.

I told my colleague, after watching a line of constituents get an earnest handshake from her eminence, that I would get a hug... ThumbsUp

I got two. blush
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#316238 - 10/04/19 12:21 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#316239 - 10/04/19 12:39 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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I was wondering... what happened, my friend?
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#316244 - 10/04/19 03:47 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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Greger is alive. Though much diminished.

Where you in jail? I promise not to tell anybody. smile
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#316245 - 10/04/19 03:59 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Greger you missed out on a lot of fun.
Glad you're back!
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#316246 - 10/04/19 03:59 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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Diverticulitus, gall bladder attack, and unidentified stomach issues.

A trifecta of pain and humiliation. I think I puked up my [censored] at some point. Imagine somebody shoving a hot poker up your ass and down your throat at the same time and you'd you'd be close.
Imagine when they meet and pass each other I think that's it. That's what it felt like

Name rank and serial number.

After five days unable to tolerate food at all I was getting down some broth and asked if I could try some solid food. I was thinking crackers or oatmeal or tapioca. They brought me a plate of mother F**ing spaghetti with red sauce. I took a couple bites but that s*it was not going into my tender tummy. Dinnertime comes and I'm [censored]*ng starving! They bring me a cheeseburger. The saddest driest patheticist looking little excuse for food I've ever seen in my life. And it looked delicious! I ate that goddamn burger. Eighteen hours of intense and unending nausea ensued. But at least I sent something through the tubes. I lost 20 pounds and the ability to walk. Both will soon be back. Getting a sponge bath from a nurse is knocked off the bucket list too.
I'm so so hungry now, my body is screaming for food to heal it but it's getting a cup of chamomile tea and a couple of soda crackers.
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#316252 - 10/04/19 02:53 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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OMG, my friend. I hope the mending comes fast!

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#316255 - 10/04/19 03:32 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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Diverticulitus, gall bladder attack, and unidentified stomach issues.

Yeah...the way the Republicans are running the country, that will do it to you. Glad you're feeling better.

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#316256 - 10/04/19 03:33 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Greger you missed out on a lot of fun.

Hmm

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#316272 - 10/05/19 12:47 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: pdx rick]
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I'da strung you two up by your thumbs if I hadn't been sick. I hope it was fun and you two have got it out of your systems for a while.
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#316273 - 10/05/19 12:53 AM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Gall bladder attack sucks. You are going to watch your diet very carefully, like a lot less meat and fat. Kind of surprising they gave you a cheeseburger. Some vegetable soup would have been more appropriate.

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