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#314719 - 09/02/19 08:41 PM UK Parliament Prorogue vs. Directive 51?
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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The UK's Boris Johnson is mulling over the idea of "proroguing" (closing) the UK Parliament prior to the Brexit deadline, in a last ditch effort to prevent the MP's from stopping the hard exit from the EU, or so it seems.

Borrowed from a loyal UK subject:

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Proroguing parliament before a speech by the queen in which the policy of a new government will be laid out is common practice. So, despite the protests and anger over the move, it is a legal one. The Queen will have no choice but to assent if she wishes to preserve tradition under a constitutional monarchy.

However legal does not mean wise or acceptable. It will likely trigger an immediate vote of non-confidence from the Parliament and the fall of the Johnson Government. After such a fall, would an election occur or would the opposition parties form a coalition government to try and avoid a no deal Brexit?

There is already talk of revolutionary political action like calling a People's Parliament. Such out of doors actions could lead to revolution and in the worst case, a real coup d'etat or a civil war. This is because a sitting People's Paliament could easily reach beyond Brexit to try to limit or abolish rights and privileges enjoyed by the British elites and financial interests since the Middle Ages.

I think it's safe to say that Britain is now on the verge of a constitutional crisis in addition to the Brexit Crisis. Well done lads and lasses. You've right knackered yourselves now.

Cheers and dread.
Evilroddy.


The idea of closing a current session of Parliament and asking for the traditional opening for the next session to be just before Brexit puts Parliament out of his way during the next critical weeks.
It's a sure fire recipe for a UK constitutional crisis, and much more.

Here in USA, the POTUS can legally overthrow the government as per Directive 51, or so it seems.

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The National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (National Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/Homeland Security Presidential Directive HSPD-20, sometimes called simply "Executive Directive 51" for short), signed by President of the United States George W. Bush on May 4, 2007, is a Presidential Directive establishing a comprehensive policy on the federal government structures and operations in the event of a "catastrophic emergency". Such an emergency is defined as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."


Yeah, it's safe to say that issuing a Directive 51 simply because the Prezzy doesn't like the way things are going might be the end of their tenure in office here in the States....under NORMAL conditions.

But under Trump, ANYTHING AT ALL IS POSSIBLE, and I am fairly convinced that D51 has been discussed rather recently as an option in late 2020, as in "just prior to the November 2020 elections".

In other words, I wouldn't put it past Trump to try it.
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#314733 - 09/03/19 01:57 AM Re: UK Parliament Prorogue vs. Directive 51? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#314734 - 09/03/19 02:13 AM Re: UK Parliament Prorogue vs. Directive 51? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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If Fatboy tries a "Directive 51," it's safe to say we would see a watermelon explode on live TV given his extreme unpopulatiry. . coffee
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#314735 - 09/03/19 02:26 AM Re: UK Parliament Prorogue vs. Directive 51? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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This little conspiracy theory pops up every presidential election. And every time it goes off without a hitch. The former president flies away in Marine One and the new president walks up the White House steps.

This time will be no different.
Trump is far better suited to being a former president than he is a sitting president. He'll milk it for all it's worth as long as he lives. Because that's who he is. The rallies will continue but with an admission and they will sell out! He can tour with Kid Rock and Ted Nugent. He'll be out grabbing pussy again and living the sweet life.
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#314738 - 09/03/19 02:53 AM Re: UK Parliament Prorogue vs. Directive 51? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
This little conspiracy theory pops up every presidential election. And every time it goes off without a hitch. The former president flies away in Marine One and the new president walks up the White House steps.

This time will be no different.
Trump is far better suited to being a former president than he is a sitting president. He'll milk it for all it's worth as long as he lives. Because that's who he is. The rallies will continue but with an admission and they will sell out! He can tour with Kid Rock and Ted Nugent. He'll be out grabbing pussy again and living.

You're pro'lly right Greger. Kinda gross thinking about a 75+ old puss-grabber though. crazy
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#314741 - 09/03/19 03:11 AM Re: UK Parliament Prorogue vs. Directive 51? [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Kinda gross thinking about a 75+ old puss-grabber though. crazy


Geez whiz, ageism rears its ugly head on RR now? LOL
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#314742 - 09/03/19 04:14 AM Re: UK Parliament Prorogue vs. Directive 51? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Kinda gross thinking about a 75+ old puss-grabber though. crazy

Geez whiz, ageism rears its ugly head on RR now? LOL

Oh...c'mon Jeff - you're not a day over 61. smile
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#314751 - 09/03/19 07:03 PM Re: UK Parliament Prorogue vs. Directive 51? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Welp, looks like the Prezzy-dint can't actually suspend Congress after all.
At least if this article is to be believed...

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The position of president, in other words, was intentionally designed without the authority to reproduce the 11-year tyranny of King Charles or the five-week suspension of Queen Elizabeth II and her current prime minister.


The author does not however, get into specifics of the law, so we're largely left with only their opinion, or so it seems.
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#314934 - 09/05/19 11:18 PM Re: UK Parliament Prorogue vs. Directive 51? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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All these arm-chair (or mom's basement) alt-right idiots claiming that their kind will lead a revolution to help Trump stay in office, ignore one simple fact: When Trump loses the election, somebody else wins. That person will be the President and Commander-in-Chief, and all the government forces and assets will answer to him. They took loyalty oaths to the Constitution, not to Trump. I doubt anyone but alt-right idiots would volunteer for a treason conviction and penalty.

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#314952 - 09/06/19 02:40 AM Re: UK Parliament Prorogue vs. Directive 51? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
All these arm-chair (or mom's basement) alt-right idiots claiming that their kind will lead a revolution to help Trump stay in office, ignore one simple fact: When Trump loses the election, somebody else wins. That person will be the President and Commander-in-Chief, and all the government forces and assets will answer to him. They took loyalty oaths to the Constitution, not to Trump. I doubt anyone but alt-right idiots would volunteer for a treason conviction and penalty.


Even funnier, the idea that Secret Service would form a detail* to "protect Trump" from being escorted from the premises when the time comes. Yeah right, it would be more like the Secret Service getting into a minor scuffle with Trump's security team, Capitol Police being called and ultimately a team of US marshals if things don't get squared away quickly.

*(yes, I have heard this nonsensical idea floated on other forums)
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