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#313307 - 08/09/19 04:13 AM Re: Authoritarian to Authoritarian [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
At least Pres. Trump got to meet with Kim Jong Un to start the discussion. Trump is the first American president to visit North Korea. That is more than any of his predecessors have been able to. Whether or not we like a dictator doesn't matter. When a dictator has nuclear weapons and is building missiles that can deliver them to Phoenix, AZ we need to be talking with him.

For the record the Korean War is not over. In 1953 we signed a truce with North Korea. A truce does not end a war, a peace treaty does.


I'd be cautious about the "able to" part because both the Clinton,
Bush and Obama White House were all invited, and they wisely decided against it.

Both Clinton and Carter HAVE in fact visited but after they left office.
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#313318 - 08/09/19 05:29 AM Re: Authoritarian to Authoritarian [Re: NW Ponderer]
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US foreign policy for many Presidential cycles has been NOT to legitimize Kim by meeting with him as an equal. Too late for that now. He did talk with South Korea for as long as he has been running NK, like his father before him. They consider him very difficult to make any deal with.

International diplomacy is a carrot and stick game, with war the ultimate stick. Trump's guys only know about sticks, so they stink at the game. That's why they keep on beating our allies, when every competent President before him had a lot of carrots being exchanged.

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#313321 - 08/09/19 11:19 AM Re: Authoritarian to Authoritarian [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
At least Pres. Trump got to meet with Kim Jong Un to start the discussion.

My favorite part of that meeting is when they held hands and jumped back and forth over the DMZ line like two little school girls.

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#313322 - 08/09/19 11:23 AM Re: Authoritarian to Authoritarian [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
...He did talk with South Korea for as long as he has been running NK, like his father before him. They consider him very difficult to make any deal with.

Golly, difficult making deals with a known liar? I'm speechless. gobsmacked

North Korea previously pledged denuclearization in 1985, 1992, 1994, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019. Each pledge was a lie. If you believe any new promises Kim makes the future, Trump has five failed casinos in Atlantic City to sell you.

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#313328 - 08/09/19 05:28 PM Re: Authoritarian to Authoritarian [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Quote:
International diplomacy is a carrot and stick game, with war the ultimate stick. Trump's guys only know about sticks, so they stink at the game. That's why they keep on beating our allies, when every competent President before him had a lot of carrots being exchanged.


Couldn't agree more. Trump doesn't make deals. he makes demands.
It's a tactic that works great in the real estate industry, not so much in global politics. If you don't meet his demands there's no deal. And even if you do, contracts were made to be broken...
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#313330 - 08/09/19 06:17 PM Re: Authoritarian to Authoritarian [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Trump is essentially Kim, as far as promises go. You make a deal, shake hands, and then when he leaves you discover your wallet is missing.

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#314836 - 09/04/19 07:28 PM Re: Authoritarian to Authoritarian [Re: NW Ponderer]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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In other news, one of Trump's favorite people got approved by the Senate to lead the Justice Department's criminal division.

Senate confirms Brian Benczkowski, justice official who worked for Russian bank

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#314852 - 09/05/19 01:29 AM Re: Authoritarian to Authoritarian [Re: NW Ponderer]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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And in still other news, a Republican governor in Arizona is experimenting with something the Republicans got very upset over in the FDR era - COURT PACKING!!

Quote:
Gov. Doug Ducey signed legislation Wednesday to expand the state Supreme Court to seven justices from five, saying the additional judges will allow the court to take on more cases and ensure "swift justice."


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"Then he replaced every Democrat on the judicial nominating commission with Republicans and GOP-allied "independents" so he could put Montgomery on the court."

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#315654 - 09/20/19 02:27 AM Re: Authoritarian to Authoritarian [Re: NW Ponderer]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Trump's main lawyer (how many has he gone through so far?) now says that President Trump cannot be criminally investigated while in office, at all!

He is quite simply, above the law as far as they're concerned.
Humble Pi says Trump's only getting the bush league lawyers now, seeing as how maybe Trump is stiffing attorneys for their fees now.

To be honest, asserting that Trump can't be criminally investigated is equal to monkeys throwing feces.
It doesn't take much juris doctor derring do (or doo doo) to fling feces, does it? LOL ROTFMOL
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#315701 - 09/22/19 12:50 AM Re: Authoritarian to Authoritarian [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Humble Pi says Trump's only getting the bush league lawyers now, seeing as how maybe Trump is stiffing attorneys for their fees now.

isn't Rudy Giuliani still his attorney?
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