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#314933 - 09/05/19 11:07 PM Re: SF Board of Supervisors declare NRA a domestic terrorist organization [Re: pdx rick]
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The title of of it. 12H.1.City and County of Refuge.
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#314938 - 09/06/19 12:25 AM Re: SF Board of Supervisors declare NRA a domestic terrorist organization [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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There can be no refuge from the Federal Government's authority. It must be absolute.

Liberty is for the well to do, the lucky and the few. The rest will carry their papers and do what they are told.

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#314939 - 09/06/19 12:30 AM Re: SF Board of Supervisors declare NRA a domestic terrorist organization [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The title of of it. 12H.1.City and County of Refuge.

Section 12H.1 literally states:

Quote:
It is hereby affirmed that the City and County of San Francisco is a City and County of Refuge.

(Added by Ord. 375-89 10/24/89)

So when you wrote, "This is from a city that protects violent felons from being deported even if the felons have been caught breaking the law," that was not a true statement.

THAT was your opinion based upon what exactly? Hmm


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#314941 - 09/06/19 01:25 AM Re: SF Board of Supervisors declare NRA a domestic terrorist organization [Re: pdx rick]
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Since it appears we aren't going to talk about the NRA being a right wing terrorist group let's address why San Francisco didn't want the feds messing with their illegals.

They are a much needed source of labor! They are a valuable resource to the community. They live there they work there they pay taxes and just because republicans are in a snit about undocumented immigrants this year they don't need jackbooted thugs coming into their communities and destroying lives. They can't actually stop it because nothing ever stops Uncle Sam but they can refuse to spend municipal funds to have brown people torn from their families in Gestapoesque midnight raids.
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#314943 - 09/06/19 01:32 AM Re: SF Board of Supervisors declare NRA a domestic terrorist organization [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Since it appears we aren't going to talk about the NRA being a right wing terrorist group...

Perhaps the NRA being a terrorist organization is a given? Hmm
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#314959 - 09/06/19 04:01 AM Re: SF Board of Supervisors declare NRA a domestic terrorist organization [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Since it appears we aren't going to talk about the NRA being a right wing terrorist group let's address why San Francisco didn't want the feds messing with their illegals.

They are a much needed source of labor! They are a valuable resource to the community. They live there they work there they pay taxes and just because republicans are in a snit about undocumented immigrants this year they don't need jackbooted thugs coming into their communities and destroying lives. They can't actually stop it because nothing ever stops Uncle Sam but they can refuse to spend municipal funds to have brown people torn from their families in Gestapoesque midnight raids.
Except for part about the immigrants being paid and paying taxes that is an argument that was used to justify slavery.
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#314976 - 09/06/19 06:00 PM Re: SF Board of Supervisors declare NRA a domestic terrorist organization [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Yeah, paying the help makes them not slaves but workers. Is that straws you are grasping there?
Remove that imagined criminal element from your argument and you have nothing left but blatant authoritarianism.
Senator, on the one hand you want minimal federal government interference and on the other you want them to violently interfere with the lives of workers. Over something I perceive as a matter of paperwork. I'm not talking about open borders here... Screen 'em, process 'em, chip 'em like a goddam dog, and give them an id/pay card so they can start paying taxes. It'll be a lot cheaper than locking them up. Beyond that the same laws apply to them as anyone else.

And I might tack an entry fee onto their future taxes too. Freedom aint free y'know.
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#315170 - 09/10/19 06:33 PM Re: SF Board of Supervisors declare NRA a domestic terrorist organization [Re: pdx rick]
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The NRA is suing San Francisco after the city declared it a “domestic terrorist organization,” alleging the declaration violates the group’s free speech rights.

Reuters
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#315218 - 09/12/19 08:23 AM Re: SF Board of Supervisors declare NRA a domestic terrorist organization [Re: pdx rick]
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I don't know about a domestic terrorist organization. Some of their rhetoric has certain gotten lots of people killed, but I doubt any of that was actually organized by NRA officials. But what they are is a money-laundering criminal enterprise that funnels Russian oligarch money to Republicans. What other conclusion can you draw, when Russians contribute millions to the NRA (for no particular reason), and then the NRA turns right around and gives millions to Republican organizations, PACs, and candidates?

I think Putin picked the Republican Party to subvert, because it was the easiest what with being filled with ethically-challenged people who were ready to sell out their country on the cheap.

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#315236 - 09/12/19 01:17 PM Re: SF Board of Supervisors declare NRA a domestic terrorist organization [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I think Putin picked the Republican Party to subvert, because it was the easiest what with being filled with ethically-challenged people who were ready to sell out their country on the cheap.

Certainly the Republican voter is the easiest one to lead astray - that's for sure - else we wouldn't have Trump - we'd have Jed Bush.

Hmm
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