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#314781 - 09/04/19 01:38 AM Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack


The only person who felt he was being "red baited" was you Jeffery. That you felt I was "red baiting" you with my comments is your problem not mine.


I don't think that comment is going to age well.
Show of hands please?
Anyone else feel like they too were being red-baited?

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

There are two reasons people on they left, on the Rant, or in real life don't walk around mumbling about Karl Marx.
1) They don't know who Marx was.
2) They don't know what he wrote.
You can't mumble about something you don't know about.


Third reason: Karl Marx's teachings aren't relevant to modern people who are on the Left. Your paranoia about communism is palpable, and way over the top. And everyone here knows it because you make it quite clear.

So the point stands, yes they are conservatives, because all they ever preach is conservatism. Actions, my friend. They are defined BY their ACTIONS.

When is the last time you saw or heard any liberal talk about setting up a "politburo" or talking about "the proles", or reciting the glories of the collective? When's the last time any liberal you know of advocated for the US government taking outright ownership of an industry?

See? You are trying to justify your red-baiting.
You can't help it, you don't even know when you're doing it.
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#314782 - 09/04/19 01:39 AM Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped [Re: pdx rick]
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I write a post condemning the hypocrite and his supporters who tried to hide his homosexuality by attempting to convert gays into being straight and what is the reply to my comment? I get bashed for stating my opinion that those who do so, the Bible thumpers, are not conservatives. Why the hell should I seek common ground if all I do is get criticized for it?
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#314783 - 09/04/19 01:47 AM Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...Again you ignored what I wrote. You ignored that true conservatives are classical liberals...

I'm sorry sir, you can't always live in the glory days of the past. That may have been true at one time, but it's not true today.

Today's Conservatives are bigots and racist, Dem-owing Trump supporters. I will say the very same thing about the 2010 T-Baggers. I also recognize that today's Trump supporters are former 2010s T-Baggers.

I graduated from high school when Reagan was in Office. I also knew I was gay in high school. I told my parents when I was in the 11th grade.

I don't forget that Reagan was an Evangelical modern Conservative.

I will never, ever, EVER forget that THAT man never uttered the AIDS or HIV for six years of the epidemic until his wife Nancy made him do so in recognition of her friend Rock Hudson dying from AIDS.

Your generation of "Conservatives" made me who I am today. I will never forget. I'm not the only one. smile

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Dixie Chicks

Forgive, sounds good
Forget, I'm not sure I could
They say time heals everything
But I'm still waiting
I'm through with doubt
There's nothing left for me to figure out
I've paid a price, and I'll keep paying
I'm not ready to make nice
I'm not ready to back down
I'm still mad as hell, and I don't have time
To go 'round and 'round and 'round
It's too late to make it right
I probably wouldn't if I could
'Cause I'm mad as hell
Can't bring myself to do what it is
You think I should
I know you said
Why can't you just get over it?
It turned my whole world around
And I kinda like it
I made my bed, and I sleep like a baby
With no regrets, and I don't mind saying
It's a sad, sad story
When a mother will teach her daughter
That she ought to hate a perfect stranger
And how…

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#314784 - 09/04/19 01:47 AM Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
It's the Despair Quotient!
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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 15059
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
I write a post condemning the hypocrite and his supporters who tried to hide his homosexuality by attempting to convert gays into being straight and what is the reply to my comment? I get bashed for stating my opinion that those who do so, the Bible thumpers, are not conservatives. Why the hell should I seek common ground if all I do is get criticized for it?


Better question: Why should you defend these people at all?
Besides, you running around doing the "no true Scotsman" thing is hardly what I would call "seeking common ground".
You spelled "apologetics" wrong!

And you bring up bashing? Really? Seriously?
You call being taken to task for apologetics bashing now?
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#314785 - 09/04/19 01:48 AM Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Senator Hatrack Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack


The only person who felt he was being "red baited" was you Jeffery. That you felt I was "red baiting" you with my comments is your problem not mine.


I don't think that comment is going to age well.
Show of hands please?
Anyone else feel like they too were being red-baited?

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

There are two reasons people on they left, on the Rant, or in real life don't walk around mumbling about Karl Marx.
1) They don't know who Marx was.
2) They don't know what he wrote.
You can't mumble about something you don't know about.


Third reason: Karl Marx's teachings aren't relevant to modern people who are on the Left. Your paranoia about communism is palpable, and way over the top. And everyone here knows it because you make it quite clear.

So the point stands, yes they are conservatives, because all they ever preach is conservatism. Actions, my friend. They are defined BY their ACTIONS.

When is the last time you saw or heard any liberal talk about setting up a "politburo" or talking about "the proles", or reciting the glories of the collective? When's the last time any liberal you know of advocated for the US government taking outright ownership of an industry?

See? You are trying to justify your red-baiting.
You can't help it, you don't even know when you're doing it.

Have taken a close look at Kamala Harris? She is a front runner to be the Democrat's Presidential nominee. "Harris has been surrounded by socialists and communists her entire life—beginning with her staunchly Marxist father." https://www.trevorloudon.com/2019/03/kamala-harriss-socialist-ties/
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#314786 - 09/04/19 01:50 AM Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
..Karl Marx's teachings aren't relevant to modern people who are on the Left.


Now that we're clearing the air...

Conservatives can stop with the George Soros bullshyte too. I'd never heard of George Soros in my life until Conservatives started harping on him.

Same goes for Saul Alinsky too. smile
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#314788 - 09/04/19 01:54 AM Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...Have taken a close look at Kamala Harris? She is a front runner to be the Democrat's Presidential nominee.

No she's not. But it's interesting that you're afraid of her. Why is that? Is it because she's a woman? A black woman? An educated black woman? Where does the fear stem from?

smile
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#314790 - 09/04/19 02:02 AM Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Senator Hatrack Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
[quote=Senator Hatrack]I write a post condemning the hypocrite and his supporters who tried to hide his homosexuality by attempting to convert gays into being straight and what is the reply to my comment? I get bashed for stating my opinion that those who do so, the Bible thumpers, are not conservatives. Why the hell should I seek common ground if all I do is get criticized for it?


Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Better question: Why should you defend these people at all?
Besides, you running around doing the "no true Scotsman" thing is hardly what I would call "seeking common ground".
You spelled "apologetics" wrong!

And you bring up bashing? Really? Seriously?
You call being taken to task for apologetics bashing now?
I didn't defend them. I said that in my opinion they are not conservatives. When and where did I use the word you said I misspelled? I reviewed my posts and could not find a comment of mine where used that word. Apparently you are not reading what I wrote.
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#314791 - 09/04/19 02:17 AM Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 15059
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
[quote=Senator Hatrack]I write a post condemning the hypocrite and his supporters who tried to hide his homosexuality by attempting to convert gays into being straight and what is the reply to my comment? I get bashed for stating my opinion that those who do so, the Bible thumpers, are not conservatives. Why the hell should I seek common ground if all I do is get criticized for it?


Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Better question: Why should you defend these people at all?
Besides, you running around doing the "no true Scotsman" thing is hardly what I would call "seeking common ground".
You spelled "apologetics" wrong!

And you bring up bashing? Really? Seriously?
You call being taken to task for apologetics bashing now?
I didn't defend them. I said that in my opinion they are not conservatives. When and where did I use the word you said I misspelled? I reviewed my posts and could not find a comment of mine where used that word. Apparently you are not reading what I wrote.


What you claim is "seeking common ground" is "apologetics".
I made a sarcastic remark that you "spelled apologetics wrong" because you were practicing apologetics.

So, in YOUR OPINION they aren't conservatives?
That is called the "NO TRUE SCOTSMAN" effect.

NO TRUE SCOTSMAN - an appeal to purity

Quote:
No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.


You will NEVER be able to inject enough righteous purity to counter the fact that McKrae Game and Ted Haggard were conservatives.
Your argument is a logical fallacy.
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#314792 - 09/04/19 02:18 AM Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...Have taken a close look at Kamala Harris? She is a front runner to be the Democrat's Presidential nominee.

No she's not. But interesting that you're afraid of her. Why is that? Is it because she's a woman? A black woman? An educated black woman? Where does the fear stem from?

smile

Yes, she is. Here is a list of the Democrat's Presidential front runners from the Rolling Stone magazine, a liberal publication. Kamala Harris is #4 on the list. That you assume that I am afraid of Kamala Harris for any reason show that you see everything and everybody through the lens of identity politics. When I see her I see a strong candidate for the presidency. She is a strong candidate because she is intelligent and a very well educated person. Had she run for the presidency in 2016 she might have won. BTW, thank you for showing your ignorance about politics. That you did not know who George Soros is and Saul Alinsky was is a sign of ignorance. As is you claim that all conservatives are bigots and racists. That you don't that the word bigot and racist are synonyms, they essential mean the same thing, is another sign of your ignorance.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2020-democrat-candidates-771735/
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