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#314308 - 08/27/19 06:36 PM Re: Good bye? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I would suggest you google "canada drugs" that will get you a huge list of pharmacies that will fill prescriptions from the United States. You might be able to reduce your costs. I suspect you know this but have found it seems to be a secret with some friends I thought knew but didn't.

My wife, for instance, used to get most of her drugs from up there. Just like everything you have to make sure you are dealing with a legit pharmacy. We went to Victoria to make sure but the lists, for the most part are real and reliable.

Just a thought...........

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#314322 - 08/28/19 12:08 AM Re: Good bye? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Because when taxes are cut the revenue to our government increases.
That is not now, nor has it ever been, true. That, my friend, is what is called "fraud". It is fraud of long and storied history. Have you ever heard of the "Laffer curve" (which I refer to as the "laughable curve")? We have been at the low end of that "curve" for nearly all of our national history, so it has never been functionally accurate. At best, a tax cut will return about 28% in revenues. Even the tax foundation, a rah- rah proponent of tax cuts, acknowledges that "[the TCJA] will reduce federal revenues by $1.47 trillion on a conventional basis and $448 billion on a dynamic basis over the 10-year budget window."

Long before the Laffer Curve was created cutting taxes raised government revenue.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/20...g/#64465fc8799c

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Our government cannot create wealth, it can only tax it. Again, laughably untrue.
Do you know how treasuries work? Where does a government treasury get the money that is in it? By taxing people. A government's treasury is not and does not create wealth. A government's treasury is a repository for the wealth that has been collected through taxes.
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Our government doesn't have the revenue to fund Medicare so the idea of a tax funded healthcare system has already been proven to be a solution that does not work! How many times does that FACT have to be repeated before people understand it?
Whether you like it or not NW Ponderer it is a fact.
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Repeating something that is demonstrably false does not make it "a fact", no matter how often you make the same claim. That only works in "conservaworld."
Here is the proof that our government does not have, nor will it ever have, the revenue to fund Medicare in its current state much less extend it to everyone. Where is the $79,000,000,000,000 to pay for Medicare as it currently is going to come from?
http://www.usadebtclock.com/
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The reason the cost of healthcare is too high is due to many factors. The primary factor is government interference in the private sector with a wage freeze shortly after WWII. Expecting our government to fix a problem it created is like expecting that no one will ever tell a lie again.
It would be nice if you did some research NW Ponderer.
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Again, a repetitive fantasy based upon a falsehood. I'd ask where you get these bizarre ideas, but I don't really care.

No it is not a fantasy based on a falsehood. But then since you just state your opinion and expect it to be accepted as fact you wouldn't know that. (I was a little bit mistaken about the wage freeze. It happened during WWII not after it.)
https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/c...0224-story.html
"The Revenue Act of 1942 triggered another rush to enroll employees in health plans. By slapping corporations with tax rates of 80 or even up to 90 percent on any profits in excess of prewar revenue, Congress all but guaranteed a frenzied search for loopholes. Employee benefits, according to the new law, could be deducted from profits. As an anonymous employer observed in a study published on trends in health insurance, "it was a case of paying the money for insurance for their employees or to Uncle Sam in taxes."

In 1943, two rulings helped accelerate the movement toward employer-sponsored health insurance. The first was a directive by the Internal Revenue Service that employees did not have to pay taxes on premiums paid by their employers. The second was a decision by the National War Labor Board reaffirming the exemption of fringe benefits from the wage freeze."
Our government did create the healthcare problem.
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#314324 - 08/28/19 12:29 AM Re: Good bye? Nope! I'm sticking Around! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Two notes here that I think are very important. First, while that quote of James Madison is correct, it was a) not the last word on the subject (in fact, he lost the argument to Hamilton, who "argued for a broad interpretation which viewed spending as an enumerated power Congress could exercise independently to benefit the general welfare.

Madison wrote the general Welfare clause, therefore it is his comments on it should be how it is interpreted. That the Butler decision chose to use Hamilton's opinion of it and not what Madison intended it to be makes the decision of questionable Constitutional validity. The Butler decision was made during the New Deal which when FDR ignored our Constitution.
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
That, my friend, is an ideologue's conclusion, not a valid argument. "I disagree, therefore, you are wrong." Not exactly how discussion proceeds.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/297/1
"Since the foundation of the Nation, sharp differences of opinion have persisted as to the true interpretation of the phrase. Madison asserted it amounted to no more than a reference to the other powers enumerated in the subsequent clauses of the same section; that, as the United States is a government of limited and enumerated powers, the grant of power to tax and spend for the general national welfare must be confined to the enumerated legislative fields committed to the Congress. In this view, the phrase is mere tautology, for taxation and appropriation are, or may be, necessary incidents of the exercise of any of the enumerated legislative powers. Hamilton, on the other hand, maintained the clause confers a power separate and distinct from those later enumerated, is not restricted in meaning by the grant of them, and Congress consequently has a substantive power to tax and to appropriate,..."
The above is a quote from United States v. Butler. It proves that the Supreme Court used Hamilton's opinion of the general Welfare clause, not what the author of it, Madison, said it should be. Citing facts, as I have repeatedly done, is a valid argument. Pontificating with your opinion, as you have done NW Ponderer, is an ideologue's conclusion.


Edited by Senator Hatrack (08/28/19 01:43 AM)
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#314355 - 08/28/19 03:32 AM Re: Good bye? Nope! I'm sticking Around! [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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To return to the topic of this thread I had thought to leave the CHBRR because the many of the people here are living in an information cocoon. They either refuse to accept the possibility that what they believe is wrong or are so condescending in their replies that I feel like throwing up. If an article that is critical of Pres. Trump were to be posted few, if any, would question it or the source of it. But should an article praising Trump be posted it would be attacked like a bleeding person in a shark tank.
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#314360 - 08/28/19 03:48 AM Re: Good bye? Nope! I'm sticking Around! [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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OK i'll bite

As a human Mr Trump is a complete piece of .... Perhaps you like having a racist as president, or pussygrabberinchief, or chaos chef ... are you really going to praise him for these fine qualities? Please tell me what is the virtue of being a racist?

What has he done? Due to a combination of narcissism and racism he has tried to rescind everything Pres Obama did. He passed a Republican tax cut, which Republicans would have passed whomever occupied the WH. He has disrupted the economy on a national scale and perhaps on a global scale. O ... he nominated SC justices vetted by the Federalist Society which were confirmed by a Republican Senate (it wouldn't have mattered who was in the WH).

So I am curious ... just what are you praising him for? Have you pledged your fealty to him?
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#314361 - 08/28/19 04:00 AM Re: Good bye? Nope! I'm sticking Around! [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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So your argument is, since Pres Madison as main writer of Constitution, believed in a strict interpretation, only his opinion is valid, as opposed to other writers, other people associated with and elected to the federal government whom were involved with the Constitution. I suppose you could select a Greek philosopher from 300 bc and say only his view of the world is valid and everyone else is wrong, and you would have to agree.

Do you not see a problem? Why would you arbitrarily agree with Pres Madison?
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#314376 - 08/28/19 02:57 PM Re: Good bye? Nope! I'm sticking Around! [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
OK i'll bite

As a human Mr Trump is a complete piece of .... Perhaps you like having a racist as president, or pussygrabberinchief, or chaos chef ... are you really going to praise him for these fine qualities? Please tell me what is the virtue of being a racist?
You make idiotic comments rporter314 does that make you an idiot? No, it does not. That Pres. Trump has made some racist comments does not make him a racist anymore than your idiotic statements make you an idiot. What president has been charged with rape a number of times? Hint, it was not a president who made a comment about grabbing a pussy. Something probably every teenage boy and adult male has either said or thought of doing. No, the president who has been accused of rape several is William J. Clinton. But Clinton gets a pass because he is a liberal. Your double standard on this is disgusting!
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What has he done? Due to a combination of narcissism and racism he has tried to rescind everything Pres Obama did. He passed a Republican tax cut, which Republicans would have passed whomever occupied the WH. He has disrupted the economy on a national scale and perhaps on a global scale. O ... he nominated SC justices vetted by the Federalist Society which were confirmed by a Republican Senate (it wouldn't have mattered who was in the WH).

Everything Pres. Trump has done is because of narcissism and racism? What a crock of snit!

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So I am curious ... just what are you praising him for? Have you pledged your fealty to him?

Where in my comment did I praise Pres. Trump? I didn't! But like many liberals you seem to have trouble reading what I wrote. Instead you read into it something I did not say. I have not pledged fealty to Trump but you have shown that you have done so to Pres. Obama. You did by claiming that Trump's efforts to rescind what Obama did is not only wrong but bad for our country. If the lowest unemployment rate for blacks, Latinos, and women is bad for the country than Trump is a terrible president.
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#314378 - 08/28/19 03:10 PM Re: Good bye? Nope! I'm sticking Around! [Re: rporter314]
Senator Hatrack Online   happy
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
So your argument is, since Pres Madison as main writer of Constitution, believed in a strict interpretation, only his opinion is valid, as opposed to other writers, other people associated with and elected to the federal government whom were involved with the Constitution. I suppose you could select a Greek philosopher from 300 bc and say only his view of the world is valid and everyone else is wrong, and you would have to agree.

Do you not see a problem? Why would you arbitrarily agree with Pres Madison?

Again, you are reading into my comment something I did not say. When interpreting our Constitution looking at the views of its primary author is a very good way to understand what it is meant to do. But one must also remember that Madison had help from a number of very intelligent men. What they thought is also important. As important as their advice was the amount of their contribution to the writing of our Constitution should be taken into consideration. The views of the Pinckney's are rarely considered but they were active members of the Constitutional Convention. Madison is known as the "Father of the Constitution" for a reason. The reason is that he wrote most of it and was instrumental in organizing the convention to write it.

Please try to read what I actually wrote, not what you believe I wrote.
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#314379 - 08/28/19 03:12 PM Re: Good bye? Nope! I'm sticking Around! [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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I don't think any of us are especially proud of Bubba Clinton's antics between the sheets. But he was impeached for his shenanigans. Do you, Senator, also endorse the impeachment of President Trump?
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#314382 - 08/28/19 04:05 PM Re: Good bye? Nope! I'm sticking Around! [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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LOL .... ROFLMAO

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Trump has made some racist comments does not make him a racist
so when a "real" racist makes racist comments apparently you believe that does not make him a racist.

Look!!!! ... if a person says something idiotic, then I can say they said something idiotic. If a person continues to say idiotic things, then I can conclude they are an idiot. So I am forced to conclude you do not believe people who continue to say idiotic things are idiots. Other options are they are .... {sheepishly} stable geniuses?

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a comment about grabbing a pussy
Comment??? He clearly stated he grabs pussy's because women and girls allow "stars" to do anything they want to do. He was not fantasizing or making juvenile locker room remarks. Mr Trump stated he grabs pussy ... because HE is a STAR. The reality is he is a putz, who has to pay porn stars for sex and then is too stupid to comprehend they may go public with this escapade and so pays them again to not say anything. And you think this character is brilliant.

So you made some kind of equivalence between someone who actually grabs pussy and someone who was accused of rape. Pres Clinton was accused of one act of sexual assault (I guess penetration is necessary for rape) and one account of rape and 2 accounts of sexual misconduct. He paid off one accuser and no charges were filed in other cases. Pres Clinton denies all charges. Now I have no direct evidence other than accusations of his conduct. Should I speculate? So we have one person who admits to his conduct and another who does not and you think I have a double standard? Better check your argument for partisan hackery.

It takes more than someone saying they are a stable genius for me to get weak in the knees. People with big egos had better have a large portfolio to impress me. Narcissists need not apply. They need help.

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What a crock of snit!
and yet you presented no refutation. .... that was the cue for you to present evidence Mr Trump does not act solely to benefit his own delusions of grandeur or as a racist.

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But like many liberals you seem to have trouble reading what I wrote. Instead you read into it something I did not say.
One of the most difficult problems in trying to discuss anything with a conservative (that being you) is their belief that no one can derive a conclusion based on what they say or to put it another way if the conservative did not use the precise words of a conclusion then they did not say it or believe it or think it.

If you say A, B, and C and they are logical parts of an argument then certainly I can conclude certain things about what you believe or think based on your own statements.

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Where in my comment did I praise Pres. Trump? I didn't!
you didn't say it but you suggested by your statement that liberals do not praise him, that praise is due Mr trump which also suggests YOU have or will praise him for something he has done or said. My question was WHAT has Mr trump done or said which deserves my praise? Now since you believe Mr Trump is deserving of praise ... that is also the cue for YOU to present the evidence. Maybe we can all praise him together.

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I have not pledged fealty to Trump but you have shown that you have done so to Pres. Obama.You did by claiming that Trump's efforts to rescind what Obama did is not only wrong but bad for our country.
Yikes. Wrong!!!! You have erroneously concluded your own belief of what I believe or think. I made no claim as to whether rescinding anything Pres Obama did was good bad or ugly. My observation was Mr Trump has made it a mission to rescind everything the black president enacted as if Mr Trump is repealing what he believes is a bad black presidency.

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If the lowest unemployment rate for blacks, Latinos, and women is bad for the country than Trump is a terrible president.
Are you for real????

By repeating administration talking points I have to wonder if you have ever really thought about what they are trying to say. Mr Trump is trying to suggest he is not a racist because ethnic rates are lower than previous administration. So just why would that be valid?

The rates for women and ethnic groups at end of Pres Obama's term was also the lowest. So should I derive some notion about Pres Obama's racism?

The rates are the lowest because the overall rate is lowest in years which has been the downward trend since 2010. If you want to impute Mr Trump has initiated some programs or laws or EO's which were purposefully directed to help women and ethnic minorities to mitigate the disparity found between those groups and whites ... here is your cue ... present that evidence, otherwise it turns out that the differences in rates are essentially the same from 2010 to now i.e. blacks about 100% more than whites ... Latinos about 50% more than whites ... and guess what .... women about the same as men

So again I ask .... what has Mr trump done to get your praise????
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