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#315091 - 09/08/19 06:39 PM Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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An important thing to remember is that the primary job of a political party, especially the Republicans and Democrats, is to win elections. Third parties can be and other are more ideological which is why they usually don't win elections. In our system whoever is the highest elected official from the Republicans and the Democrats is the titular leader of their party. Currently that is Trump and previously it was Obama. Since both Republicans and Democrats want to keep their man as our President they don't like to see the incumbent being challenged.
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#315122 - 09/09/19 03:32 AM Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
The DNC is blackballing any campaign shops for any future party work if they help a progressive leftist primary challenger in the 2020 primaries.

But yeah, those lame republicans....


Yeah well, that might have worked back in the Days of Debbie but it's not going to work this time around, at least not according to Cenk Uygur, who was one of two very progressive pundits who shocked the world when they said Trump would win 2016.
The other progressive to say that was Michael Moore.
They both got laughed at when they announced their predictions.

Well, this time around, Cenk says:

Brace for impact, Washington. Progressives are going to win.

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In 2016, I warned that Donald Trump could win. Right after that year’s Democratic National Convention, with Hillary Clinton peaking in the polls, I made that prediction on ABC News’s “This Week.” Several other panelists, all members of the Washington establishment, laughed. But I stuck with my view, and I told our audience on “The Young Turks” on election night: Buckle up, and brace for impact. Trump is going to be president.

Now, I have another prediction for the Washington establishment. Brace for impact: Progressives are going to win.


The only problem I have is, this is premature and both Cenk AND Moore should put a sock in it because it invites complacency and voter laziness again, which we cannot afford. We have a Senate to overturn as well keeping the House, in addition to landsliding a POTUS to the WH.

NOBODY should predict a Warren victory, but it gives you a chance to ponder the possibilities.
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#315125 - 09/09/19 03:56 AM Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Yo! Dude!

I figured this out weeks ago

I've been saying it every single day here.

Bloodbath. There's not a thing anyone can do to stop millions of Trump haters from getting to the polls and voting him and his entire cotillion out the door. Republican voters may actually get trampled as the crowds surge....It's gonna be like Black F*cking Friday with tents set up the night before and tailgate parties.

Upper echelon talking heads are keeping it to themselves but some of the outliers aren't afraid to cheer the voters on.
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#315128 - 09/09/19 04:37 PM Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
The DNC is blackballing any campaign shops for any future party work if they help a progressive leftist primary challenger in the 2020 primaries.

But yeah, those lame republicans....


Yeah well, that might have worked back in the Days of Debbie but it's not going to work this time around, at least not according to Cenk Uygur, who was one of two very progressive pundits who shocked the world when they said Trump would win 2016.
The other progressive to say that was Michael Moore.
They both got laughed at when they announced their predictions.

Well, this time around, Cenk says:

Brace for impact, Washington. Progressives are going to win.

Quote:
In 2016, I warned that Donald Trump could win. Right after that year’s Democratic National Convention, with Hillary Clinton peaking in the polls, I made that prediction on ABC News’s “This Week.” Several other panelists, all members of the Washington establishment, laughed. But I stuck with my view, and I told our audience on “The Young Turks” on election night: Buckle up, and brace for impact. Trump is going to be president.

Now, I have another prediction for the Washington establishment. Brace for impact: Progressives are going to win.


The only problem I have is, this is premature and both Cenk AND Moore should put a sock in it because it invites complacency and voter laziness again, which we cannot afford. We have a Senate to overturn as well keeping the House, in addition to landsliding a POTUS to the WH.

NOBODY should predict a Warren victory, but it gives you a chance to ponder the possibilities.
I agree. Warren in fact might be the Democratic Candidate which does the worst against Trump. It's way to early to give much credence in these head to head polls. But they do give you an idea where things stand today.

Emerson has Trump and Warren tied today, IBD/TIPP has Warren ahead of Trump by 3, within the margin of error.

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.co...ayor-pete-fades

https://www.investors.com/news/elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-sanders-democratic-race-biden-vs-trump/

I bring this up because Warren seems very weak among independents. So too was Hillary in 2016. As Hillary proved, you can be loved by your party, but if that love isn't transferred some to the independent voter, all that love within a party means little. At least in the general election.

Right now Warren is a minus 16 among independents when it comes to favorable/unfavorable's. Trump is at a minus 19. Slight advantage to Warren.

For me personally, what this means is Warren would have one of the hardest times beating Trump among all the different Democratic candidates. That is as of today which these things change everyday. They're very dynamic. Warren might be 20 points ahead come election day, she also might lose. All we can do is go by the numbers provided today.

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#315129 - 09/09/19 07:12 PM Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I think Warren would be a sad consolation. HRC 2.0

Been there before. Hillary had her some web sites and some pure unadulterated fact checks on em.

Warrens got them plans and some troubled history for the left.

Sanders on the other hand....

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#315164 - 09/10/19 06:06 PM Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses [Re: chunkstyle]
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So Hills and Liz are really the same person? With the same flaws, the same records and the same dreary future if either were elected...

What has Sanders got that will win the nomination for him? He better pull it out of his pocket pretty soon now.

I feel like Biden and Clinton are much more similar, but I'd take Clinton in a heartbeat over that old hairspray sniffer.
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#315171 - 09/10/19 06:51 PM Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses [Re: Greger]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: Greger
So Hills and Liz are really the same person?


Supposedly the meme floating around says Liz is OBAMA 2.0, not Hillary 2.0 but she is neither of them. For one thing, had it been Liz in 2008, she would have fought tooth and nail for the public option.
Bamz! didn't even lift a finger, after campaigning on it for a year.
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#315173 - 09/10/19 07:04 PM Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#315266 - 09/12/19 09:59 PM Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Third parties can be and other are more ideological which is why they usually don't win elections.

Huh???

I am sure I do not understand what you are saying. I suspect you may confuse significant issues with ideology. Example ... suppose I support universal background checks for all firearms. Does that make me an ideologue? So educate me.

Consider conservative economic beliefs. Despite evidence to the contrary, conservatives continue to believe in voodoo economics. That is ideological.

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Since both Republicans and Democrats want to keep their man as our President they don't like to see the incumbent being challenged.
True to a certain extent.

I find Mr Trump to be so odious on any number of levels and counts, it should be incumbent on Republicans to primary him with a real replacement who has the same agenda.

The question I never hear from reporters when they are told, the interviewee does not like the tweets but supports the agenda is, then replace with someone who does not tweet but has the same agenda. I rather suspect it is not the agenda but the voice of white supremacy which drives a huge chunk of Republican supporters and they can not afford to abandon them.
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#315267 - 09/12/19 10:01 PM Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses [Re: pdx rick]
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Does anyone recall Mr Trump accusing the Democrat Party of rigging the primaries?
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