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#315245 - 09/12/19 04:10 PM Re: What Can Be Done About The Bipartisan Corruption In Our Government? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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We need 2 amendments: speech is not money and money is not speech and a corporations is not an individual (claiming that gives stockholders another vote)

Re-write laws for lobbyists. Right now the lobby laws are simply corruptions codified.

Give members of congress back their own expert advisors instead of relying on lobbyists.

Stop selling (based on money raised for party) congressional seats of power.

Mandatory voting.

The Phrase; "If you don't vote you are going to get screwed over and if you can't decide submit a blank ballot" told to school children, every day, from grade school up. The same phrase said, everytime a politician speaks. (perhaps also add the simple fact that the block that votes most consistently is the very rich)

Civics taught to every high school student in some detail.

This particular wishful thinking was kinda fun!

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#315246 - 09/12/19 04:27 PM Re: What Can Be Done About The Bipartisan Corruption In Our Government? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
To suggest that people vote exclusively for one party will not fix the problem. Denying that your party is responsible will not fix the problem. Blaming our President will not fix the problem.

Free market politics won't fix the problem either, in fact that's the main problem - not enough controls.
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#315250 - 09/12/19 05:38 PM Re: What Can Be Done About The Bipartisan Corruption In Our Government? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
To suggest that people vote exclusively for one party will not fix the problem. Denying that your party is responsible will not fix the problem. Blaming our President will not fix the problem.

Free market politics won't fix the problem either, in fact that's the main problem - not enough controls.
Since a corrupt government is the problem giving that government more power will not solve the problem.
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#315253 - 09/12/19 06:16 PM Re: What Can Be Done About The Bipartisan Corruption In Our Government? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Hunnnh??

I thought we were interested in fixing the corruption (which is the people in the government). Now you are saying that it can't be fixed because the people in the government (the government) are corrupt?

Trying to discuss anything with you is like being on a merry-go-round...
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#315254 - 09/12/19 06:28 PM Re: What Can Be Done About The Bipartisan Corruption In Our Government? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Hunnnh??

I thought we were interested in fixing the corruption (which is the people in the government). Now you are saying that it can't be fixed because the people in the government (the government) are corrupt?

Trying to discuss anything with you is like being on a merry-go-round...

The people in our government are corrupt. They are corrupt because they have too much power. To give people who are corrupt because they have too much power more power will not solve the problem that they are corrupt.
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#315255 - 09/12/19 06:39 PM Re: What Can Be Done About The Bipartisan Corruption In Our Government? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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You funny!! wink
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#315256 - 09/12/19 06:42 PM Re: What Can Be Done About The Bipartisan Corruption In Our Government? [Re: logtroll]
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#315257 - 09/12/19 06:42 PM Re: What Can Be Done About The Bipartisan Corruption In Our Government? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Hunnnh??

I thought we were interested in fixing the corruption (which is the people in the government). Now you are saying that it can't be fixed because the people in the government (the government) are corrupt?

Trying to discuss anything with you is like being on a merry-go-round...

The people in our government are corrupt. They are corrupt because they have too much power. To give people who are corrupt because they have too much power more power will not solve the problem that they are corrupt.



That is circular logic and total BS.

As one of those people that was in Government and being married to another person in that was in government, I can speak with some authority that 99.9% of the people in government are not corrupt, as you so Trumpianly claim.

Now, if you want to talk about political appointees, using the current crop, then you are probably more right than you know.


Edited by Ujest Shurly (09/12/19 06:45 PM)
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#315261 - 09/12/19 07:56 PM Re: What Can Be Done About The Bipartisan Corruption In Our Government? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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When I speak of our government I am referring to Congress. Members of Congress are corrupt because they need a lot of money to get elected and reelected.
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#315262 - 09/12/19 08:34 PM Re: What Can Be Done About The Bipartisan Corruption In Our Government? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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I don't think raising campaign funds is generally considered "corruption".

Accepting campaign funds from corporate interest in return for voting how they want you to vote...that's corruption.

Buying/selling stocks when you know your vote will affect their value...that's corruption.

Using your power and influence as a public servant to increase your personal fortune...corruption.

Accepting bribes...corruption.

Almost all corruption has to do with money changing hands for nefarious reasons.

Most of those reasons are related to businesses seeking fewer government controls. Like clean air, clean water, employee compensation, or anything else that might eat into the corporate profits.

So most corruption is simply to further the goals of free market capitalists.
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