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#315230 - 09/12/19 01:00 PM Re: What do words mean? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The fight or flight instinct (fear) is an automatic response that occurs when anyone feels threatened. Whether it is being in a building that is on fire, walking in an unfamiliar area, or watching a scary movie.
or listening to a fear-mongering newscast or pol.
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#315231 - 09/12/19 01:05 PM Re: What do words mean? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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You mean like this?

A Mexican invasion is coming!

Socialism is going to take over!

Liberals hate religion!

Abortion rips babies out of women's bodies!

Healthcare for all will bankrupt America!
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#315237 - 09/12/19 01:19 PM Re: What do words mean? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
You mean like this?

A Mexican invasion is coming!

Socialism is going to take over!

Liberals hate religion!

Abortion rips babies out of women's bodies!

Healthcare for all will bankrupt America!
Yeah, kinda like that.
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#315281 - 09/13/19 12:41 PM Re: What do words mean? [Re: logtroll]
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How do you explain things to people with word apoplexy? In the Democratic debates last night the candidates were clearly afraid to say the word “taxes” when explaining their healthcare plans and the math underlying the reason some form of universal coverage would be less expensive.

I read this morning that a majority of voters don’t understand that with a government funded system they wouldn’t have to pay insurance premiums, which would be replaced by taxes, but at a lower cost. The simple explanation should be, for instance, $1000 insurance payments will be replaced by $750 in tax payments.

But the candidates all know that “taxes” is a trigger word, causing brain hemorrhages and unconsciousness in most people.

Warren sort of described it, but in a bit of a confusing roundabout way that sounded like the rich would pay more taxes but regular folks would (mumble, mumble...). I believe the actual math is that the rich would cover the costs for the currently uninsured, while regular folks would pay less than their present costs but to be paid through taxes.

The heated argument about whether people could choose to keep their private insurance if they were happy paying more(?) was not well thought out. Once again, the real issue is that many people are confused about how it would all work, this time conflating choice of heath insurance providers with choice of healthcare providers. The mental picture becomes “I will be forced to pay more taxes and will not have any choice of doctors - SOCIALISM!!”

How do you pass information along to stupid ideologues? It’s a problem...
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#315452 - 09/16/19 01:05 PM Re: What do words mean? [Re: logtroll]
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Here's a new word that we can make up a definition for: gibbergish.

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gibbergish

-the intentional blenderizing of facts, opinions, lies, and hyperbole for the purpose of obfuscating clarity, logic, and reason in a discussion.

I'm questioning if gibbergish needs to be intentional, or if it can result from a personality disorder?

Thinking that gibberish is "unintelligible or meaningless speech or writing; nonsense" that has no purpose, so gibbergish would be similar but with a purpose, hence it would be intentional.
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#315453 - 09/16/19 01:09 PM Re: What do words mean? [Re: logtroll]
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A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
The man who is always waving the flag usually waives what it stands for. -Laurence J. Peter, educator and author (16 Sep 1919-1990)
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#315454 - 09/16/19 02:53 PM Re: What do words mean? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
The man who is always waving the flag usually waives what it stands for. -Laurence J. Peter, educator and author (16 Sep 1919-1990)
I like this one very much.
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#315492 - 09/17/19 02:16 AM Re: What do words mean? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
How do you explain things to people with word apoplexy? In the Democratic debates last night the candidates were clearly afraid to say the word “taxes” when explaining their healthcare plans and the math underlying the reason some form of universal coverage would be less expensive.

I read this morning that a majority of voters don’t understand that with a government funded system they wouldn’t have to pay insurance premiums, which would be replaced by taxes, but at a lower cost. The simple explanation should be, for instance, $1000 insurance payments will be replaced by $750 in tax payments.

But the candidates all know that “taxes” is a trigger word, causing brain hemorrhages and unconsciousness in most people.

Warren sort of described it, but in a bit of a confusing roundabout way that sounded like the rich would pay more taxes but regular folks would (mumble, mumble...). I believe the actual math is that the rich would cover the costs for the currently uninsured, while regular folks would pay less than their present costs but to be paid through taxes.

The heated argument about whether people could choose to keep their private insurance if they were happy paying more(?) was not well thought out. Once again, the real issue is that many people are confused about how it would all work, this time conflating choice of heath insurance providers with choice of healthcare providers. The mental picture becomes “I will be forced to pay more taxes and will not have any choice of doctors - SOCIALISM!!”

How do you pass information along to stupid ideologues? It’s a problem...
One reason I would be opposed to this is the old saying "Jack of all trades, master of none." When our government is asked to do too much it will not do anything well. It is better to keep our government small so that it can do a good job. "It's better to do a few things right than to do a hundred things wrong."
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#315493 - 09/17/19 03:29 AM Re: What do words mean? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
One reason I would be opposed to this is the old saying "Jack of all trades, master of none."

Yet you have no qualms about how the government runs the military, post office, federal police force, highway system, or social security.

Hmm
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#315499 - 09/17/19 11:32 AM Re: What do words mean? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
One reason I would be opposed to this is the old saying "Jack of all trades, master of none." When our government is asked to do too much it will not do anything well. It is better to keep our government small so that it can do a good job. "It's better to do a few things right than to do a hundred things wrong."

That’s an astonishing bit of gibbergish right there. Complete temiosity, not even a tenuous relationship to anything factual or useful. And it’s off the topic of “what do words mean?”

Maybe it was meant to demonstrate the meaning of “blenderize”, or “gibbergish”?
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