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#315642 - 09/19/19 08:29 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Greger]
Senator Hatrack Offline
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Registered: 08/14/07
Posts: 1604
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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Why the hell should I waste my time making a comment when before it has even been made it is being condemned as wrong?

Because that's what we do here?

We are all proud partisans who believe strongly in our own political theories. You cannot be right, Hatrack, because that would make ME wrong. To admit that you are even half right makes me half wrong.

But I respect your position. I even understand it to a certain extent. It(conservatism) has held us in good stead for a long time.

I feel that we are facing some pretty serious issues right now. You seem to deny their existence. You blow my solutions off as "socialist" yet provide none of your own. You cling to your narrow reading of the Constitution and disavow any other interpretation as wrong. You speak as though you know the minds of the hallowed Four Fathers.

Ya don't, okay.

That bus has left the station and three centuries hence we are dealing with sh*t they never could have imagined.

And we find ourselves again faced with a tyrant...

No, I've blown your suggestions off because your comments about Republicans and Conservatives are so off the wall as to be ridiculous. When your comments about Republicans and Conservatives have some degree of accuracy then I'll listen to your suggestions.
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#315643 - 09/19/19 09:12 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Why the hell should I waste my time making a comment when before it has even been made it is being condemned as wrong? When the close minded liberals here on the Rant automatically think that everything a conservative says, or might say, is wrong it is a waste of time for any conservative to be here. There is no debate here just a bunch of liberals agreeing on how all conservatives are wrong.


I think you will find that there are a great many conservatives who do not share your experience. If it pleases the court, I'll point out that I also invited you to participate at an even larger forum where some Ranters also spend a bit of time, but you turned down the offer.

If you were to appear there, you'd find that your position is null and void a good deal of the time. The simple fact is, not all conservatives agree with some of your positions. Certainly a good many liberals disagree too, but if you discover that you're at loggerheads with other conservatives, the possibility might exist that your views might be somewhat suspect on certain issues.

Go ahead, Senator...ask me my views on a couple of things.
Let's try starting with GUNS.

Ask me about my views on guns, then we can try ABORTION, and then we can move on to things like immigration, then we can try the homeless.

You may be surprised to learn that I hold certain conservatives views.
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#315645 - 09/19/19 09:35 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Senator Hatrack Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Why the hell should I waste my time making a comment when before it has even been made it is being condemned as wrong? When the close minded liberals here on the Rant automatically think that everything a conservative says, or might say, is wrong it is a waste of time for any conservative to be here. There is no debate here just a bunch of liberals agreeing on how all conservatives are wrong.


I think you will find that there are a great many conservatives who do not share your experience. If it pleases the court, I'll point out that I also invited you to participate at an even larger forum where some Ranters also spend a bit of time, but you turned down the offer.

If you were to appear there, you'd find that your position is null and void a good deal of the time. The simple fact is, not all conservatives agree with some of your positions. Certainly a good many liberals disagree too, but if you discover that you're at loggerheads with other conservatives, the possibility might exist that your views might be somewhat suspect on certain issues.

Go ahead, Senator...ask me my views on a couple of things.
Let's try starting with GUNS.

Ask me about my views on guns, then we can try ABORTION, and then we can move on to things like immigration, then we can try the homeless.

You may be surprised to learn that I hold certain conservatives views.
The comment of mine you replied was one I made to logtroll not you.
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#315647 - 09/19/19 10:12 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Greger Offline

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Loc: Florida
Quote:
The comment of mine you replied was one I made to logtroll not you.

This is a public board and all comments are open to reply by anyone.

We have a mechanism for private conversations and any you wish to remain private must go there.
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#315651 - 09/20/19 12:12 AM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
The comment of mine you replied was one I made to logtroll not you.

This is a public board and all comments are open to reply by anyone.

Besides, I had no interest in replying to such an incoherent post. I'm waiting for the good Senator to simply answer my simple questions. LOL
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#315658 - 09/20/19 04:28 AM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: logtroll]
Senator Hatrack Offline
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Wouldn't it be much easier (and potentially productive) to answer my simple questions and engage in an honest discussion?

If you just want to kill something, you win - I'll fake a grisly death and you can brag to your many liberal friends about your bigly success.
When you ask some simple questions I will reply to them. But making predictions about what my answer will be is not a simple question. It isn't even a question it is criticizing me before I say something.
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#315661 - 09/20/19 10:13 AM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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You win. I capitulate.
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#315664 - 09/20/19 12:24 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 14332
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
It isn't even a question it is criticizing me before I say something.


You have to relieve yourself of a good many of your own preconceptions if you're going to insist on the same.
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#315665 - 09/20/19 12:33 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Maybe there is something useful in this article that could be used in talking with Ol’ Hatrack.
Quote:
Persons in crisis resist the request to talk because, as Stokoe points out, cultural idioms encourage us to put little value on “talk”. After all, “talk is cheap” and “talking the talk” is less meaningful than “walking the walk”. However, a single word substitution could be enough to save a life.
Perhaps because we do not have equivalent cultural idioms, “speak” seems to work. In real conversations between a negotiator and person in crisis, when the negotiator says “speak” (“I wanna come down and I wanna speak to you…”) they get their desired response. In some cases, the person in crisis interrupts the negotiator to begin talking. Despite being near-synonyms, one word is loaded with context that makes it ineffective in these scenarios, while the other is free of those associations.
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#315670 - 09/20/19 02:37 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: NW Ponderer]
NW Ponderer Offline
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Posts: 17115
I have now read... let me count them... 6 excuses by Sen HR for not responding to questions, or posting comments related to same without content. I think that is the sign of an empty barrel. Nothing left to scrape out but dregs.

I think, the answer to my original question is, "somewhere else."

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