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#315715 - 09/22/19 12:14 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Why do people who are obsessed with owning weapons for defense, especially for imagined defense against tyranny, always end up with such loopy arguments for support?

It might be easier to take on the issue from a different angle than gun ownership rights, since the real problem in question is that of innocent people getting shot. It is always the case with “rights” that when they conflict with other rights there has to be a boundary created, a limitation, a regulation. In the contest of to kill, or not to be killed, what is the answer, Hatrack? What is the corresponding responsibility of gun owners to coexist with the right of people to be safe from being shot?

Let me make it simple - what do you propose as a solution for gun violence?
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#315717 - 09/22/19 01:17 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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It pretty much comes down to this: People paranoid their government will impose tyranny on them or somehow be harmed by someone else versus an innocent bystander's right not to be killed or maimed by firearms.

Hmm
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#315724 - 09/22/19 03:22 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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Quote:
what do you propose as a solution for gun violence?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Republicans don't have solutions to anything. Only excuses.
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#315725 - 09/22/19 03:34 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Greger]
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Dang it, Greger! You've exposed my trap...
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#315731 - 09/22/19 04:45 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Why do people who are obsessed with owning weapons for defense, especially for imagined defense against tyranny, always end up with such loopy arguments for support?

It might be easier to take on the issue from a different angle than gun ownership rights, since the real problem in question is that of innocent people getting shot. It is always the case with “rights” that when they conflict with other rights there has to be a boundary created, a limitation, a regulation. In the contest of to kill, or not to be killed, what is the answer, Hatrack? What is the corresponding responsibility of gun owners to coexist with the right of people to be safe from being shot?

Let me make it simple - what do you propose as a solution for gun violence?
The imaginary problem of "gun violence" is caused by people who are violent and a gun is just the tool that they use. That people are violent is a problem that cannot be solved. Humans are and always have been violent animals. The idea that you think will work, taking guns away from people, does not work. Your belief that the fear of tyranny exists only in people's minds is not supported by history. The greatest murderers are governments. Mass murder by governments
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#315733 - 09/22/19 04:50 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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And more denial and excuses....

An imaginary problem resulting in thousands of imaginary deaths. No problem, no need of a solution, carry on, nothing to see here.
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#315737 - 09/22/19 05:18 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The imaginary problem of "gun violence" is caused by people who are violent and a gun is just the tool that they use. That people are violent is a problem that cannot be solved.

Perhaps you know why your country has so much more of the "problem that cannot be solved " than most other countries do?
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#315743 - 09/22/19 06:48 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Obama killed bin Laden.
Trump killed Harley Davidson.

Vote Democrat in 2020

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#315745 - 09/22/19 07:21 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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69 percent of registered voters say they don’t like Trump personally. Sounds about right. smile
NBC / WSJ poll 09/22/19

...from the same poll, isn't this interesting? smile



The Dem strategy should be to focus on all gray-bar responses over 51% for the 2020 Dem platform. Hmm
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#315761 - 09/23/19 01:09 PM Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions ... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends. -Walter Lippmann, journalist (23 Sep 1889-1974)
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