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#316502 - 10/10/19 03:37 AM Trump unleashes ISIS in Kurd Country
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Trump unleashes ISIS in Kurd Country

Intel officials say ISIS could regroup after U.S. 'betrayal' of Kurds in Syria

“The immediate concern, officials say, is what will happen with the 12,000 ISIS fighters currently being guarded by the American-backed Kurds. The ISIS prisoners are the world's largest concentration of terrorists. If those fighters are set free, officials fear a replay of what happened in Iraq between 2010 and 2013, when the core group who founded ISIS were released or escaped from detention after U.S. forces left the country.”

Basically, Donald Trump has done THIS: (see image)


12,000 ISIS prisoners guarded by Kurds may be freed thx to Trump
if one views the Kurd-guarded ISIS prisoners as ghosts and goblins in the containment field in “Ghostbusters” and Donald Trump as the corrupt official who orders the containment field shutdown.



Great job, Mister President!!
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#316506 - 10/10/19 03:52 AM Re: Trump unleashes ISIS in Kurd Country [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Someone posted this on Disqus. There is no link. I tried putting this into Google - it seems to be a series of different stories put together.

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Heather Cox Richardson is an American historian and Professor of History at Boston College, where she teaches courses on the American Civil War, the Reconstruction Era, the American West, and Plains Indians. She previously taught at MIT and the University of Massachusetts.

Impeachment news today was overshadowed by Trump's surprise announcement that he is pulling U.S. troops out of Syria, leaving our Kurdish allies there to the mercy of advancing troops from Turkey. But my guess is that this and impeachment are actually the same story. This is really complicated, and some of it is outside my wheelhouse, so bear with me as I try to untangle it.

Pundits are spinning Trump's surprise withdrawal of troops as an attempt to fulfill a 2016 campaign promise to end foreign wars, and he certainly mentioned that promise in his declaration about the removal. But I'm shocked that no major American news outlets appear to be talking about oil.

Kurdistan is a region of people who share cultural, historical, and linguistic ties. It overlies the intersection of four countries: Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Turkey. The Kurds have their own leaders and have different political relationships with each of the governments of the nations in which they live, but they have tended to work with the US, especially in our war against ISIS, for which they have done much of the fighting. The base of Kurdish wealth is oil. Their land has a lot of it.

The Russian oil and gas giant, Rosneft, has been trying to gain access to develop Kurdish oil for years. Rosneft is one of the largest companies in the world, worth around $70 billion. It is the tool of Putin and Russian oligarchs, and after Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, President Obama put sanctions on Rosneft to freeze its assets in the United States. These are the sanctions Putin wants lifted. Russia bought the Kurdish oil pipelines that run through Turkey almost two years ago, and if it can control the Kurdish oil fields, it will become the dominant foreign power in the Middle East, replacing the United States.

So what does this have to do with impeachment? Ukraine is another developing region with petroleum resources. We recently learned that while Rudy Giuliani and Trump's other people were attacking Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine, they were themselves trying to take control of Ukraine's huge natural gas company. They were working with the corrupt president, but the election of Volodymyr Zelensky, a reformer, brought them up short. They successfully torpedoed America's Ukraine Ambassador, Marie Yovanovitch, who stood against them, and pushed for the investigation of Hunter Biden as well as the conspiracy theory that it was Ukraine, not Russia, that attacked the 2016 elections. Key to this scheme were two Soviet-born Florida real estate men, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who had poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into Republican campaigns.

I know, you need a scorecard. But here's the full circle: The House impeachment investigating committees asked Parnas and Furman to produce documents and to testify about the Ukraine scandal. Today their lawyer wrote an astounding letter denying Congress had the authority to make such demands and that it was simply trying to "harass, intimidate and embarrass" his clients. He wrote the letter in comic sans font, which seems to suggest he is laughing at the idea he and his clients have to answer to Congress.

And now full circle back to Trump....

It sure looks like Russia wanted Trump to be president so he could loosen US support for Ukraine and lift the US sanctions on Rosneft (this is actually pretty well established, so I won't argue it here). The Steele Dossier of information about Trump, compiled by a former British intelligence agent, suggested that Putin had offered Trump and his associate Carter Page brokerage fees on the sale of up to 19% of Rosneft stock. That has never been proven, but Rosneft's interests were almost certainly in the air in 2016. Once president, Trump did hold back US military aid to Ukraine, but while he has been able to delay some of the sanctions, and to lift a few selectively, he hasn't been terribly successful at removing them altogether.

So why is there suddenly this Syrian announcement, an announcement that goes against not only established US policy but against most Republican Senators, whom Trump needs very badly right now to protect him from conviction if he is impeached? A few days ago, Rosneft announced that it was switching its operations to euros rather than dollars, because it wanted to lessen its exposure to future US sanctions. That suggests to me Russian leaders have lost faith that Trump can end sanctions, and that they are going to figure on doing business without him.

I think they see the writing on the wall that Trump's presidency is crumbling. I think Trump does, too, so he's trying to help out his friends in the Russian oil industry as much as he can, while he still can, come hell or high water. In addition to pulling troops out of Syria, we learned this afternoon that Trump is considering pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty, which would likely bring the whole treaty crashing down. It enables countries to conduct unarmed reconnaissance flights over each others' territories. Without it, Ukraine will not be able to monitor the Russian troops on its border. America will have ceded its influence in the Middle East and Asia to Putin.

Ever since July 23, 2016, when I read the first story about Russian interference in the American election, it has seemed to me that it has always been about Russia. No matter how the story twists and turns, always Russia seems somewhere around. This Syria story floored me because... why are we abandoning our allies?!? and why now, when it looks like an end is in sight?!?... and then I read that after Trump began the troop drawdown, the Russian foreign minister met with the Kurdish Prime Minister first thing this morning.
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#316508 - 10/10/19 04:36 AM Re: Trump unleashes ISIS in Kurd Country [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Someone posted this on Disqus. There is no link. I tried putting this into Google - it seems to be a series of different stories put together.

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So do you mind if I share?
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#316509 - 10/10/19 04:47 AM Re: Trump unleashes ISIS in Kurd Country [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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By the way, that floored me and I think it's going to floor a lot of people.
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#316510 - 10/10/19 05:47 AM Re: Trump unleashes ISIS in Kurd Country [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Someone posted this on Disqus. There is no link. I tried putting this into Google - it seems to be a series of different stories put together.

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So do you mind if I share?

Not at all. smile
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#316511 - 10/10/19 05:56 AM Re: Trump unleashes ISIS in Kurd Country [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
But I'm shocked that no major American news outlets appear to be talking about oil.

Rachel Maddow has a new book which came-out last week, titled Blowout: Corrupted Democracy, Rogue State Russia, and the Richest, Most Destructive Industry on Earth. Rachel states she wrote the book because of a quip John McCain made about Russia in 2011: Russia is a single economy and is basically the gas station of the world.

Hmm

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#316512 - 10/10/19 11:22 AM Re: Trump unleashes ISIS in Kurd Country [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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So it turns out, this "article" that I posted is a Facebook posting, I come to find-out from the guy that I copied from on Disqus.
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#316513 - 10/10/19 11:37 AM Re: Trump unleashes ISIS in Kurd Country [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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...from Foreign Policy.com:

Quote:
In the past few weeks, a conflict between Ankara and Baghdad over Turkey’s role in the liberation of Mosul has precipitated an alarming burst of Turkish irredentism. On two separate occasions, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan criticized the Treaty of Lausanne, which created the borders of modern Turkey, for leaving the country too small. He spoke of the country’s interest in the fate of Turkish minorities living beyond these borders, as well as its historic claims to the Iraqi city of Mosul, near which Turkey has a small military base. And, alongside news of Turkish jets bombing Kurdish forces in Syria and engaging in mock dogfights with Greek planes over the Aegean Sea, Turkey’s pro-government media have shown a newfound interest in a series of imprecise, even crudely drawn, maps of Turkey with new and improved borders.

Putin wants Rosneft to control the Kurdish oil fields and Turkey wants to re-establish the Ottoman Empire. Sounds about right. Hmm
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#316519 - 10/10/19 01:08 PM Re: Trump unleashes ISIS in Kurd Country [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Putin also wants to fulfill a long held Russian dream of unfettered access to the Bosporus. His taking Crimea now makes more sense. If he can split Turkey from NATO, the Black Sea and eastern Mediterranean become his puddles.

Watch out Finland, you maybe the next course on the Bear's Table...


Edited by Ujest Shurly (10/10/19 01:11 PM)
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#316547 - 10/10/19 05:31 PM Re: Trump unleashes ISIS in Kurd Country [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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This just in...

2 Giuliani Associates Arrested On Campaign Finance Violations

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Two Florida-based businessmenn who helped President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani in his efforts to dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden in Ukraine have been arrested and charged with campaign finance violations in a separate matter.

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were arrested at Dulles International Airport outside Washington, D.C., on Wednesday night, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Manhattan. They were indicted by a grand
jury in New York but are scheduled to make their initial court appearance in federal court in Virginia later this afternoon.


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