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#316554 - 10/10/19 06:17 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Is anyone starting to think there are far too many leads to follow to find time to write a charge sheet for impeachment before Nov 2020???
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#316583 - 10/11/19 06:57 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Apparently the woman who was our Ambassador to Ukraine (Marie Louise Yovanovitch) said that Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman and Giuliani wanted her gone as they thought she was interfering with the corruption of Ukraine which they were depending on to do whatever it is that they were doing.

In other words, if Giuliani was doing the bidding of Our Dear Leader Trump, then Trump was actually upset that the Ukrainians were actually making headway on their corruption which was discommoding his efforts to do whatever he wanted doing. This would mean that Jackass the corruption killer is really not a corruption killer at all!

You just gotta wonder. This entire deal just keeps getting worse, and more confusing, anytime something new raises its head. Its really pretty amazing. One can only wonder what's coming next, what disaster is on its way as well is what disaster just happened. In my own mind, how in the HELL are any of those Republican senators going to explain it all to their constituents or even each other. My main concern is whether the Democrats are going to have the gumption to even ask them.

Just wondering.............

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#316584 - 10/11/19 07:41 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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They won't have to, most of their Republican constituents won't ask. As to the Democratic constituents, some will ask. However, remember peer pressure is very powerful. As Dumbledore once said, "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends." From Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.
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#316590 - 10/12/19 01:20 AM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
Is anyone starting to think there are far too many leads to follow to find time to write a charge sheet for impeachment before Nov 2020???

This is why Nancy wants a narrow focus of the Articles of Impeachment. The July 25th phone call and its web of GOP deceit is enough to get us there.

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#316592 - 10/12/19 03:42 AM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: pdx rick]
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There is a large cadre of personnel who are implicated in the call. We have ambassadors, NSC folks, attorneys, Sec Pompeo, AG Barr, Ukrainians and these are the ones who are known. Imagine if Giuliani and his henchmen can shed light on the call. Secret server.

Suppose the investigators find there are more calls? One call may earn the occupant a censure from the Senate but think if there is a pattern of abuse. It could not be overlooked, even by Republicans.
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#316593 - 10/12/19 04:24 AM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
There is a large cadre of personnel who are implicated in the call. We have ambassadors, NSC folks, attorneys, Sec Pompeo, AG Barr, Ukrainians and these are the ones who are known. Imagine if Giuliani and his henchmen can shed light on the call. Secret server.

Suppose the investigators find there are more calls? One call may earn the occupant a censure from the Senate but think if there is a pattern of abuse. It could not be overlooked, even by Republicans.

All valid points. Trump has already admitted to extortion and bribery on the July 25th call. That's all the Dems really need to Impeach Trump.

The investigations can still continue. smile
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#316596 - 10/12/19 03:21 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: pdx rick]
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Trump has already admitted to extortion and bribery on the July 25th call.

Not quite.

Mr Trump admitted to a "perfect" call, which any objective person should see as an example of what a smoking gun criminal collusion act is. Mr Trump may be the only person who did not understand what his call was. The NSC folks, recognized it and went into immediate coverup mode, WH attorneys recognized it and ordered the coverup, Amb Sondland knew Mr Trump was already engaged in a quid pro quo and had to confer with Mr Trump to verify Mr Trump did not think it was, all the US Ukrainian diplomats recognized Giuliani's efforts as criminal activities, should I go on .... it would appear everyone but Mr Trump recognized it for what it was ... a "perfect" example of abuse of power.

And this is precisely why Mr Mueller wanted to interview Mr Trump and all of Trump's attorneys did not want him to be deposed ... OMG ... he would have given up the gig before anyone could light a cigarette.

Does anyone recollect the courtroom scene from "A Few Good Men"? Here is my paraphrase

Rep Shiff: Did you order US aid to be held up until Ukraine begin an investigation into the Biden's?!

Mr Trump: YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!

Mr Trump: [Rep Shiff dismisses the committee] What is this? Mr Chairman, what's going on? I did my job, I'd do it again! [stands up defiantly] I'm gonna get on a plane and go on back to Mar a Lago

Mr Trump: What the hell is this?

AG Barr: Mr Trump, you have the right to remain silent. Any statement you make...

Mr Trump: [while AG Barr continues reading his rights] I'm being charged with a crime? Is that what this is? I'm being charged with a crime? This is funny. That's what this is. This is... [turns to Rep Shiff and lunges at him while Sgt at Arms hold him back] I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull! You [censored] with the wrong Trump!

And that would be the real narcissist Donald J Trump in action
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#316605 - 10/12/19 05:08 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
Mr Trump may be the only person who did not understand what his call was.

That's because Mr. Trump, a self-labeled "stable genius," is not a very bright individual in reality - at all. smile

Hmm

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#316614 - 10/12/19 06:09 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Duh
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#316617 - 10/12/19 06:13 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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It is unknown what the facts are but if Giuliani was breaking the law at Mr Trump's order ... well you guys know the rest of that

There is a pattern of criminal behavior ... this is precisely what the Founders thought when they used the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors". We have them in spades.
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