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#316621 - 10/12/19 06:38 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
It is unknown what the facts are but if Giuliani was breaking the law at Mr Trump's order ... well you guys know the rest of that

There is a pattern of criminal behavior ... this is precisely what the Founders thought when they used the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors". We have them in spades.

Conservatives: What crimes?

(If you have to ask... rolleyes , coffee )



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#316772 - 10/16/19 03:25 AM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314

Does anyone recollect the courtroom scene from "A Few Good Men"? Here is my paraphrase

Rep Shiff: Did you order US aid to be held up until Ukraine begin an investigation into the Biden's?!

Mr Trump: YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!

Mr Trump: [Rep Shiff dismisses the committee] What is this? Mr Chairman, what's going on? I did my job, I'd do it again! [stands up defiantly] I'm gonna get on a plane and go on back to Mar a Lago

Mr Trump: What the hell is this?

AG Barr: Mr Trump, you have the right to remain silent. Any statement you make...

Mr Trump: [while AG Barr continues reading his rights] I'm being charged with a crime? Is that what this is? I'm being charged with a crime? This is funny. That's what this is. This is... [turns to Rep Shiff and lunges at him while Sgt at Arms hold him back] I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull! You [censored] with the wrong Trump!

And that would be the real narcissist Donald J Trump in action


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#316778 - 10/16/19 04:46 AM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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I see that a number of State Department employees and former employees have been told not to testify by Pompeo and then gone ahead and testified before congress as requested. At least a few people realize how the law works and don't want to go to jail! I suppose that ordinary staff is not going to stick their necks out for illegal orders, while Trump's appointees (being incompetent) agree to follow the captain down with the sinking ship. Of course, they believe the captain can keep the ship afloat in spite of the gaping holes in the hull, by sheer will power!

I wonder if Pompeo will be criminally liable for ordering people to do illegal thing at some time in the future. This could all make one hell of a RICO prosecution.

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#316792 - 10/16/19 03:31 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I think I already promoted the idea in a post responding to the Senator, Mr Trump was a crime boss involved in a conspiracy which included, Sec Pompeo, AG Barr, Chief Advisor Mulvaney, Amb Sondland, and those are just the governmental conspirators. The foot soldiers in this conspiracy include Att Giuliani, Parnas, Fruman as well as links to already indicted Ukrainian Firtash. I would like to stretch the extend of this conspiracy by including members of Fox News who have promoted the efforts of the criminal activities of this gang and have aided in the coverup.

I think a mini-series is in order.
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#316813 - 10/17/19 05:44 AM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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A good TV show demonstrating how corrupt all his BS has been, may be the only thing that can convince his hard-core followers that he is unworthy of their love. Then again you might have to frame it all in the context of WWE wrestling to reach some of them.

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#316832 - 10/17/19 04:45 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Pelosi: Why did you pull troops out of Syria?
Trump: Campaign promise to bring the troops home.
Pelosi: Saudi Arabia is home? You're sending troops there.
Trump: They're paying for it.
Pelosi: You're sending troops in harms way because Saudi Arabia is paying for it? All roads lead to Putin.

***Trump melts down***

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#316838 - 10/17/19 05:09 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Geeze, that interview didn't stick to the lib script...




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#316841 - 10/17/19 05:35 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: chunkstyle]
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You expected something different maybe? You imagine we'll be surprised at this revelation?

By rights, this affair should destroy any chance Biden has of getting the nomination. It will be slow moving but inexorable. Warren will continue to slowly rise. Despite Bernie's energetic performance in the debates his chances of getting the nod are toast.

If Warren wants to genuinely kick Donald's ass in the general election she'll choose Bernie as a running mate. That will make Warren look more mainstream to centrists yet will pull in the lefties! That's not a prediction though, that's just a pipe-dream.

**reaches for pipe**


Edited by Greger (10/17/19 05:36 PM)
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#316852 - 10/17/19 07:11 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: Greger]
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Were we talking about the Sanders candidacy? I'm confused.

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#316858 - 10/17/19 09:21 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: chunkstyle]
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Quote:
I'm confused.

Dems dismiss Allegations Perhaps you recall posting that? Then I asked if the dismissal was a surprise to you. It certainly wasn't to anyone else. After that I ruminated a bit about the effects on the overall election. I hope that clears up any confusion.
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