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#314528 - 08/31/19 11:09 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: pdx rick]
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Remember Guantanamo prisoners and all the waterboarding and torturing endorsed by conservatives everywhere? They just love brown people in cages suffering. Good lord imagine the crowds if they were allowed to throw rotten fruit and rocks at them! They could charge admission!

And they wonder why their numbers are shrinking...
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#314530 - 08/31/19 11:13 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Let's be honest here and rip the Band-Aid off.

As a political philosophy in America, Conservatism is on the wane. Heck, Conservatives can't even win a the presidency unless it involves the last vestige of slavery - the electoral college. MOST Americans have rejected Conservatism and continue to do so. Conservatives will...not...accept...this...fact.

Look at the GOPs numbers - they're shrinking and have been shrinking for DECADES. #GOPWalkAway

I couldn't care less whether today's "Conservatism" is a bastardized form of neo-classical post paleo Conservatism or whatever it was back in the day of Birchers. I just know what "Conservatism" means today and that means heavy doses of racism and bigotry, while paying as little of their fair share of taxes, and being a Trump supporter. Even the changing definition of what Conservative means has Conservatives in a dither.

Conservatives are having a temper-trantum of epic proportions as they realize that they are indeed dinosaurs and at they same time, trying to force their way of life onto the majority in order to make Conservatism take root, like a regular, home-grown radicalized Evangelical American ISIS-like member. Their thinking is so 20th century. Their need for a homogenous society like Russia, is so 20th century. Their need for marriage to be between a man and woman and a hot pool boy and a hot personal trainer is so hypocritical.

Diversity of all stripes is where it is at and where America is heading. Conservatives can't stop progress no matter how many idiotic "trains" which the Conservative jumps upon.

Frankly, I have no use for the Conservative - except to totally publicly humiliate one by pointedly highlighting their asinine thinking and hypocrisy in order to make them an example of how not to think and behave in polite society.

Hmm

This is a caricature of Conservatism. The only place it is accurate is in the author's egotistical closed mind.

I deal with Conservatives day in and day out on Disqus forums. I get that the truth hurts. Self-reflection is painful.

You may not be a Christian, but as a Trump supporter, you check many of the other boxes. smile

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#314531 - 08/31/19 11:28 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
He, like a lot of closed minded liberals, thinks Pres. Trump is the Republican Party. Trump is not the Republican Party nor is Trump much of a Conservative!



All you have to do is look at Trump's approval ratings in the party, then compare it to the number of Republicans leaving the party, it's just that simple. Close minded liberals aren't coming up with the idea that Trump is the Republican Party, Trump is.

More importantly, OTHER conservatives are saying it.

Other conservative publications are saying it.
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#314532 - 08/31/19 11:30 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Without the Electoral College the city and county of Los Angeles would determine who wins our Presidential elections.

That is probably the most hyperbolic and asinine sentence you have ever written, sir.

Conservatives supposedly place value on individualism - there nothing individual about having other people vote for President for you which is exactly what an Electoral College elector does.

If your side has such great and wonderful ideas, why do your side need to cheat and steal elections?
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#314533 - 08/31/19 11:31 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
He, like a lot of closed minded liberals, thinks Pres. Trump is the Republican Party. Trump is not the Republican Party nor is Trump much of a Conservative!



All you have to do is look at Trump's approval ratings in the party, then compare it to the number of Republicans leaving the party, it's just that simple. Close minded liberals aren't coming up with the idea that Trump is the Republican Party, Trump is.

Exactly. Bow
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#314536 - 09/01/19 01:41 AM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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What's conservative about individuals in Wyoming having four times the voting power for President compared to individuals in New York or California? The electoral college system deifies state sovereignty way way beyond anything reasonable. Maybe the obvious solution is for a bunch of low-population states to join together into larger states, so they have populations more comparable to New York and California.

Because the trend is for people to leave those states and move to the larger cities where they can find work and resources. Ultimately, we could wind up it the same ridiculous situation as Disneyworld, where the company only lets a few Disney executives live in "their county" which gives them an out-sized degree of control in larger government.

And what exactly is wrong with individuals living in LA determining who will be President, if the majority of people live in LA?

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#314538 - 09/01/19 03:07 AM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Without the Electoral College the city and county of Los Angeles would determine who wins our Presidential elections.

That is probably the most hyperbolic and asinine sentence you have ever written, sir.

Conservatives supposedly place value on individualism - there nothing individual about having other people vote for President for you which is exactly what an Electoral College elector does.

If your side has such great and wonderful ideas, why do your side need to cheat and steal elections?

We have the Electoral College because our government is supposed to be Constitutional republic not a democracy. The statement that you think is so "asinine" is a fact. Without the Electoral College the votes of the people in about 1/3 of the states would not count. Then to win a Presidential election all a candidate would have to do is campaign in the states with large populations. The candidates could and would ignore states with small populations. The idea behind the Electoral College is to force a Presidential candidate build a large coalition of voters from every state in the country.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/385...ege-think-again

Republicans stealing elections? Would that be like the 1960 election that JFK stole?
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/sco...ction-obviously
Then there is "Landslide Lyndon." There wasn't an election that LBJ was in where didn't steal votes. Or the big city Democrat machines that stole elections for decades.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/political-machine
When vote stealing by vote in our country's elections the difference is that of a misdemeanor, the Republicans. to multiple felonies, the Democrats.
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
I deal with Conservatives day in and day out on Disqus forums. I get that the truth hurts. Self-reflection is painful.

You wouldn't know the truth if your life depended on it! When I read your comments pdx rick I am amazed at your arrogance and your ignorance! In this reply I have shown that you do not know what the hell it is you are talking about! You are wrong about the Electoral College and you are so wrong about which party has stolen votes that you should be embarrassed. You are a shining example of what Roger Scruton talks about in his book Fools, Frauds, and Firebrands.
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#314540 - 09/01/19 03:14 AM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Remember Guantanamo prisoners and all the waterboarding and torturing endorsed by conservatives everywhere? They just love brown people in cages suffering. Good lord imagine the crowds if they were allowed to throw rotten fruit and rocks at them! They could charge admission!

And they wonder why their numbers are shrinking...

Didn't Pres. Obama promise to close Guantanamo Bay? Yet it is still open. I guess that makes Obama a conservative.
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#314541 - 09/01/19 03:16 AM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Quote:
The idea behind the Electoral College is to force a Presidential candidate build a large coalition of voters from every state in the country.


Wrong. It was a compromise between having congress elect the president and letting the people vote.
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#314542 - 09/01/19 03:18 AM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Without the Electoral College the votes of the people in about 1/3 of the states would not count.

Without the EC would we would have one person, one vote. Everyone's vote would count, but you Conservatives don't want everyone's vote to count. Hmm


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Then to win a Presidential election all a candidate would have to do is campaign in the states with large populations. The candidates could and would ignore states with small populations.

That's exactly how its done now with an eye towards the EC. Your gaslighting is beyond the pale. frown


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The idea behind the Electoral College is to force a Presidential candidate build a large coalition of voters from every state in the country.

Doesn't that defeat your "we're a Republic, not a Democracy" argument. I'm not buying what you're selling, sir. laugh

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Republicans stealing elections? Would that be like the 1960 election that JFK stole?

We don't need to go back in time 60 years, all we have to do is look at 2018.
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