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#316684 - 10/14/19 03:46 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Hey guys, with Mr. Trump's new friend Recep Erdogan scheduled to enjoy a full state visit with all the trimmings, what do you suppose the chances are that our fearless leader will be trading tips on how to scuttle the law a little more in both their countries?

BONUS!
As long as it keeps Americans divided against each other more and more, it's going to keep one very wealthy despot very very happy.



After all, it WAS his birthday recently... rolleyes
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#316703 - 10/14/19 03:41 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
[quote=Ujest Shurly]Am I biased against President Donald (...) Trump? You bet. I have experience of his antics since the early 80's and long ago decided, I would not vote for someone who conducted themselves like he has and does.

As your comment I put in italics shows you are biased. Your claims about Pres. Trump demonstrate that bias. As you said the impeachment proceedings are political. Since they are all of the claims about Trump must be viewed for what they are, political attacks on him. Political attacks from very partisan sources. As in all political attacks what is left out of the complaint can be and often is just as important, perhaps even more so, than the actual complaint. But the people here will not try to get both sides because as you have shown U jest Shurly the use of a conservative source is automatically rejected.


Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
It does not show anything, I flatly stated I am biased against President Donald (...) Trump and I told you why, almost 40 years of hearing about him and his antics.
Yeah, right. I am unbiased but I am biased against Donald J. Trump. If you are biased against Trump you are biased!

Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
To have reached my conclusion about your source, I must have read it, don't ya think? Now, if you can source a non-biased conservative site as I have, Law Schools are generally conservative. I will gladly read that site also, and may include it in my daily reading list. If it meets the criteria, it will join Lawfare an unbiased Conservative site generally focused on "... that nebulous zone in which actions taken or contemplated to protect the nation interact with the nation’s laws and legal institutions."
Lawfare is not a conservative site, it is a liberal site. A site published in cooperation with the Brookings Institute. The Brookings Institute (formerly the Institute for Government Research) was started by Robert S. Brookings who was the chairman of the Price Fixing Committee for Pres. Wilson's War Industries Board. Woodrow Wilson the Godfather of Liberalism (FYI, The Heritage Foundation is a conservative site.)

Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
And I will not only listen to all Democratic debates, but will also listen to all Republican debates as I did in 2016, if the RNC is courageous enough to hold them. However, I don't think the RNC has the cojones to hold debates, it might show President Donald (...) Trump to be the Emperor with no cloths.

I recommend Lawfare to you as a daily read.
When either a Republican or a Democrat is our President their respective party does not hold primaries or limits them. That is done because the purpose of a political party is to win elections. When the President is the incumbent neither party wants to take the chance of losing that advantage. That you doubt that, as you put it, "However, I don't think the RNC has the cojones to hold debates, it might show President Donald (...) Trump to be the Emperor with no cloths." shows your bias against Republicans. Either your bias or your lack of understanding of politics.
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#316705 - 10/14/19 04:13 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
The reality is the people who criticize Mr Trump do so for a couple of reasons. Mr Trump as a "human" is a reprehensible, amoral slug. Apparently you are ok with a sexual predator ( as long as he is a "star"). Apparently you think the unethical business practices of Mr Trump is ok. That he has not been convicted in a court of law is irrelevant. The evidence of the charges is credible and massive.

And despite all of that he has sexually harassed women. At least 25 women have come forward with accusations and we have the Axios video of Mr Trump admitting he sexually harasses women because he is a "star". All facts. Is it necessary to go to court? Not after he admitted he does sexually harass women.

In the video Pres. Trump said that a star could "grab women by the pussy." When I replied to you the first time you mentioned this I said that it was disgusting, but you have ignored that comment. You continue to try to show that I agree with such behavior when I do not. As I have said it is, unfortunately, that is something men who are stars have been able to do for centuries.
I do not condone nor approve of such behavior!
(I put that in so rporter314 would not miss it.)
That Trump said that a star can do it does not mean he still does so. Just because someone can do something does not mean that they do it. You, rporter314, can jaywalk across a street and like a lot of people you probably have. Because you probably have done it once does that mean you always do? No, it does not.
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#316714 - 10/14/19 07:31 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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If grabbing women by the pussy was the worst thing President Trump has done I wouldn't really mind it so much. I've grabbed a few myself over the years and I'm not even a star. But alas, sexual assault is among the least of his crimes. He'll never be convicted of any of them because he has such stalwart supporters as yourself who will put him back in office for life and if there is any way you can make him King and let him rule as he sees fit. Laws are for lesser men than such as he. Such great wisdom! Such a stable genius!
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#316715 - 10/14/19 07:41 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Gee once again you ignore what was said and inserted what you want the narrative to be. Should I use BOLD so you can see it???

I said you continue to support the person who sexually harassed women. That is what I said.

Now some editorializing. I do not support people who sexually harass women. It is a deal breaker. Why? Because it is a quality I do not want to see in an elected official (nor do I associate with people like that), but for you, despite your demonstrations of protest, you are ok with sexual harassment as long as it is a elected official who did it.

Sorry does not make sense to me. What exactly would it take for you to end your support of Mr Trump? What about Mr Trump frakking a monkey on the WH lawn? shooting someone on 5th Ave? how about in a church? Using his office to make money? Selling America to the Russians ... cheap? Nothing? You would support Mr Trump no matter what he has done or would do?
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#316717 - 10/14/19 07:45 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Could be but I think it is more personal. Republican challengers would take the spotlight away from the greatest human to have ever lived and as every narcissist knows ... keep the lights on me.
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#316719 - 10/14/19 08:28 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Senator Hatrack said "When either a Republican or a Democrat is our President their respective party does not hold primaries or limits them. That is done because the purpose of a political party is to win elections. When the President is the incumbent neither party wants to take the chance of losing that advantage. That you doubt that, as you put it, "However, I don't think the RNC has the cojones to hold debates, it might show President Donald (...) Trump to be the Emperor with no cloths." shows your bias against Republicans. Either your bias or your lack of understanding of politics."

True, when there are no challengers. However! There are three challengers to President Donald (...) Trump. They are: former Rep. Mark Sanford, South Carolina; former Rep. Joe Walsh, Illinois; and former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld. The Republican Party leadership has issues with each of them. In prognosticating, I can see real problems for the Republican Party. The problems, no candidate(s) for office after President Donald (...) Trump and Vice president Mike Pence are impeached and convicted.

Republicans think President Donald (...) Trump is going to win this election? He has pissed of Women, pissed of Farmers, pissed off Factory Workers, pissing off Teachers, activating the democratic base and independents, I think not. It may be poetic justice for President Donald (...) Trump to lose the election, it would crush his ego and inflated self-image of his narcissistic self.



As for Lawfare: Hmmm, did some shallow research there, did you learn about the founders of the Lawfare blog.




Edited by Ujest Shurly (10/14/19 08:36 PM)
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#316721 - 10/14/19 08:50 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: rporter314]
Senator Hatrack Offline
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
Gee once again you ignore what was said and inserted what you want the narrative to be. Should I use BOLD so you can see it???

I said you continue to support the person who sexually harassed women. That is what I said.

Now some editorializing. I do not support people who sexually harass women. It is a deal breaker. Why? Because it is a quality I do not want to see in an elected official (nor do I associate with people like that), but for you, despite your demonstrations of protest, you are ok with sexual harassment as long as it is a elected official who did it.

Sorry does not make sense to me. What exactly would it take for you to end your support of Mr Trump? What about Mr Trump frakking a monkey on the WH lawn? shooting someone on 5th Ave? how about in a church? Using his office to make money? Selling America to the Russians ... cheap? Nothing? You would support Mr Trump no matter what he has done or would do?

If you supported Bill Clinton you supported someone who sexually harassed women. If you supported Hillary Clinton you supported someone who defended a man who sexually harassed women. If you did support Mrs. Clinton your claim that supporting people who sexually harass women is "deal breaker" is a lie. BTW, I checked some of your comments from RR 9/2016 and you did support and defend Hillary Clinton.
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#316723 - 10/14/19 09:25 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Ujest Shurly]
Senator Hatrack Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
Senator Hatrack said "When either a Republican or a Democrat is our President their respective party does not hold primaries or limits them. That is done because the purpose of a political party is to win elections. When the President is the incumbent neither party wants to take the chance of losing that advantage. That you doubt that, as you put it, "However, I don't think the RNC has the cojones to hold debates, it might show President Donald (...) Trump to be the Emperor with no cloths." shows your bias against Republicans. Either your bias or your lack of understanding of politics."

True, when there are no challengers. However! There are three challengers to President Donald (...) Trump. They are: former Rep. Mark Sanford, South Carolina; former Rep. Joe Walsh, Illinois; and former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld. The Republican Party leadership has issues with each of them. In prognosticating, I can see real problems for the Republican Party. The problems, no candidate(s) for office after President Donald (...) Trump and Vice president Mike Pence are impeached and convicted.

Even when there have been challengers both parties have cancelled primaries. BizPac
Originally Posted By: Politico
nomination for the Republican Party.

Politico reports that Trump campaign officials have promoted a smooth path to the party’s nomination, but the cancellations were prompted by state officials and not by the Republican Party itself.

While Weld and Walsh are crying foul, this is not the first time states have canceled primaries. Arizona canceled their Democratic primary when Barack Obama was running for reelection in 2012. The same also happened in 1996 when Bill Clinton was running for reelection. Kansas also did not have a primary in 1996.

“As a general rule, when either party has an incumbent president in the White House, there’s no rationale to hold a primary,” South Carolina GOP Chairman Drew McKissick told Politico. He also noted that his state did hold a primary in 1984 when Ronald Reagan was running for reelection, or in 2004 when George W. Bush was doing the same. He added that Democrats also skipped primaries in the state in 1996 and 2012.
It seems that Ujest Shurly's comment omitted some important facts and made an assumption based solely on his personal opinion.

Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
Republicans think President Donald (...) Trump is going to win this election? He has pissed of Women, pissed of Farmers, pissed off Factory Workers, pissing off Teachers, activating the democratic base and independents, I think not. It may be poetic justice for President Donald (...) Trump to lose the election, it would crush his ego and inflated self-image of his narcissistic self.
Pissed off farmers? If Trump has pissed off women put "women support for Trump" in your computer's search engine and you will find a number of sites of women who support him.
Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
As for Lawfare: Hmmm, did some shallow research there, did you learn about the founders of the Lawfare blog.

While I could be mistaken but the odds of strong conservatives being on the faculty or students of Harvard University, as the founders of Lawfare were, extremely remote.
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#316736 - 10/15/19 01:01 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
perotista Offline
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
[quote=Ujest

Politico reports that Trump campaign officials have promoted a smooth path to the party’s nomination, but the cancellations were prompted by state officials and not by the Republican Party itself.

While Weld and Walsh are crying foul, this is not the first time states have canceled primaries. Arizona canceled their Democratic primary when Barack Obama was running for reelection in 2012. The same also happened in 1996 when Bill Clinton was running for reelection. Kansas also did not have a primary in 1996.

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I think all of those hollaring about the cancellation of primaries when there is an incumbent president running for reelection should read this.

2020 Primary and Caucus Cancellations Through the Lens of Recent History

http://crystalball.centerforpolitics.org...recent-history/

It is more the norm to cancel primaries when an incumbent president if seeking reelection. Bush, the GOP cancelled 19 Primaries in 2004. Obama, the Democrats cancelled 13 in 2012. So far we have 6 primaries and caucus cancelled for 2020.

These are the states doings. Here is Georgia we have a law that if only one candidate is on the ballot, no primary will be held. So we don't know if we'll have a Republican primary or not yet. We certainly will have the democratic primary.
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