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#316739 - 10/15/19 01:47 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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The very damaging testimony of Trump's former Russia Aide, Fiona Hill.


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#316742 - 10/15/19 02:43 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Monday, October 14, 2019




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#316743 - 10/15/19 03:22 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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First I did not support any candidate for the presidency between 1976 and 2008. I favored one particular Republican between 2008 and 2020, who has never considered running for office but has had high profile jobs in government service. I have considered him to be the most qualified, for a number of reasons and an even tempered person for the job.

Second I have defended Sec Clinton only in particulars i.e. trying to refute the demonization by right wing nut jobs who have hounded the Clintons for 30 years. You know the folks I am talking about, because you believe their crap. And after 30 years of demonization, no one ... yeah not a single person including Ken Starr has found a possible crime they have committed or one which could be prosecuted. So yes I defended her, as I would anyone who is wrongfully accused, even Mr Trump if he were wrongfully accused, on that. So maybe you know of a crime???? Well report it to Mr Trump. He has a personal attorney in AG Barr working for him.

As an aside, it appears Mr Trump has never been falsely accused of anything. His unethical activities have run a gamut of human endeavors. In addition he has been accused of criminal activities some of which he freely admits he did. Perhaps you know of a false accusation???? BTW ... if Mr trump says they're false is not a defense ... he lies too much to be a credible and reliable witness.

Third had you continued reading and simply selective reported on my comments you would have found also criticized her for some of the things she has done. In particular the extraordinary lack of good judgment in using a private server when the world is full of Clinton demonizers, such as yourself , who are looking for nothing better to do than to continue the demonization.

So your argument is, if i know someone who knows someone who knows someone then I am guilty of the crime someone committed . Do you really think about what you type or is this just the best gibberish you can come up with? Sec Clinton did not commit a crime (that I know about but if you know about some crime she committed then please don't hold back because if she did then she is on the sheis list) so I had no reason to disqualify her for reason of criminal activity.

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If you did support Mrs. Clinton your claim that supporting people who sexually harass women is "deal breaker" is a lie.
Who did Sec Clinton sexually harass?

For the record I did not support Sec Clinton as a candidate. I thought she was a poor choice but I did vote for her as I could not imagine having Mr Trump selling America to the Russians.

Still haven't answered the question, what would it take for you to .... o never mind Mr Trump is on the WH lawn acting like a monkey frakking a skunk ... so presidential ... must be easy. I know the answer.
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#316744 - 10/15/19 03:31 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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I had not thought that impeachment was possible, as it would require 20 Republican Senators to go along, but I am changing my mind.

Events in Syria have alarmed everyone with a sense of... well, with sense. For the longest time any Republican had to go along with whatever Trump did because they were getting what they wanted - judges, tax cuts for the wealthy, government inefficiency - but now he is threatening their "brand". Republicans have always prided themselves on being [falsely] perceived as "strong" in foreign affairs - usually by loads of military spending - but Trump has exposed their flank. His moves with Turkey have been brazenly personal (and corrupt), bone-headedly stupid, dangerously disruptive and have humiliated and physically threatened the military as well as our international standing and national security. Republicans will have a hard time standing for this.

I recognize that the central issues of the impeachment inquiry are corruption and brazen abuse of office - things they rarely object to - but I suspect that they will go along with allowing the inquiry to go forward (making as much noise as they can along the way), yet deep down they recognize how much damage he is doing to the party and are calculating an exit strategy from the Trumpcoaster "Trump-catastrophe". If it happens before the end of the year, they have 9 months to get Pence ready for "prime time." I haven't checked filing deadlines, but I suspect that if he is the party nominee at the convention, that won't really matter.

Their dilemma is whether it is too late to cut bait and how much damage he could yet do as a wounded animal. I'd still bet heavily that their best option is to negotiate a Nixon-Ford style resignation-for-pardon deal, but he'll be hard to convince. A 25th Amendment exit might be hard to orchestrate and would set such a precedent as to be unpalatable. Interesting times, indeed.
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#316751 - 10/15/19 10:07 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I have heard this argument before about Republicans opening their eyes. At this time I have not seen any evidence there is a crossover. Despite the bi-partisan support for condemning Mr Trump, all I see is a compartmentalized response.

Resignation. Never going to happen. No self respecting narcissist would tolerate the auto-humiliation.

25th. Can't do. Did Republicans only realize after 2 years Mr Trump needed to be on the bench??? Are they stupid???

Damage. Big picture is they will bite the bullet to keep the base.

Now about 20 votes ... I have long argued the Senate would never convict because Republicans would continue to support Mr Trump. However, I sense some wavering. If in the next month the case becomes ironclad and if the Democrats promote the impeachment properly, I can see a few more possible defections. Prior to call .... I would put it at 0% possible conviction. Now I see between 10% and 20% chance.

The moderates may break loose from the rabid herd.
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#316752 - 10/15/19 10:21 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: rporter314]
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Pence is refusing to comply with the House impeachment inquiry. Guess he wants to be impeached for obstruction.

Can you say, Madam President Pelosi?
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#316754 - 10/15/19 11:47 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Those of you who want and strongly support the impeachment of President Trump are ignoring some very important facts about why he won. Here are some clues.
GOP Presidential Primary candidates.
Democratic Presidential Primary candidates
Hillary had the support of the DNC. Trump did not have the support of the RNC.
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#316755 - 10/15/19 11:49 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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...and someone is seriously ignoring the FACT that Trump has lot a lot of support since being elected. coffee
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#316756 - 10/16/19 12:47 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


...and someone is seriously ignoring the FACT that Trump has lot a lot of support since being elected. coffee

Let's go back to 25 Jan 2017, 5 days after Trump was inaugurated. Trump's favorable/unfavorable's. Nationwide, 45% favorable/47% unfavorable. democrats 13% favorable/82% unfavorable, Republicans 83% favorable/14% unfavorable and independents, 44% favorable/41% unfavorable. Question 125

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pyonz5d0lq/econTabReport.pdf

As of 8 Oct 2019. Nationwide 42% favorable/53% unfavorable. Democrats 7% favorable/92% unfavorable, Republicans 86% favorable/14% unfavorable and independents 41% favorable/49% unfavorable. Question 71A.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/x3neaunoh2/econTabReport.pdf

The percentage of those who view Trump favorably are close to the same as they were at the end of January 2017. A 3 point drop nationwide which is right on the line of the polls margin of error of plus or minus 3 points.

What has changed is some folks who were not sure or undecided back at the end of January 2017 have come off the fence to jump into the unfavorable column. A rise of 6 points nationwide, another rise of 8 points among independents.

I'd say Trump's support is basically the same as it was at the end of January 2017. But more importantly, those who oppose him or don't like him has grown throughout his presidency. This later came from the original group that was in the undecided or not sure column.
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#316763 - 10/16/19 02:27 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: perotista]
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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats


Warren fits that bill, so does Bernie. But they're too far to the left for you. So that's not really what you want. If Biden is as far to the left as you can stand then you might as well just vote Republican or sit home.
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