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#316187 - 10/02/19 12:43 PM The Impeachment of Donald trump
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Wouldn't a rational person assume that chronic and exaggerated lying should be grounds for impeaching a president?
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#316189 - 10/02/19 01:13 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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No. All leaders must lie from time to time. However, President Donald (...) Trump does spew his every time he opens his mouth or moves his thumbs. Nonetheless, lying is not grounds for impeachment, to my way of thinking.
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#316190 - 10/02/19 02:53 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
No. All leaders must lie from time to time. However, President Donald (...) Trump does spew his every time he opens his mouth or moves his thumbs. Nonetheless, lying is not grounds for impeachment, to my way of thinking.

Scale and relativity should be factors, I think. Trump's lying crosses over into fraud, defamation, incompetence, and malfeasance in my estimation. Conduct unbecoming of the President of the United States. Impeachable offenses don't have to be crimes.
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#316191 - 10/02/19 03:00 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Unfortunately no.

I think the Convention argument against (or maybe it was the Federalist Papers) was the people can vote da bum outta office.

Here we don't have sex in the WH (unless you count frakking the public), but abuse of power. The conversation was a clear solicitation for authoritative oppo research implicating or implying VP Biden is or was corrupt in a quid pro quo arrangement vis a vis you get money for arms <--> I, Mr Trump, gets dirt on a political opponent.

This is one of the situations the Founders envisioned.

Once verified the final nail goes in that coffin, but I would like to see the clown show ... Trump supporters ingratiating themselves in the most servile and obsequious ways to throw away what little integrity any would have and certainly lose all self respect for any number of reasons.
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#316195 - 10/02/19 08:22 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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In the America I grew up in a person was innocent until proven guilty. That respect for the individual and the rule of law has, if not disappeared, been severely eroded.

Originally Posted By: rporter314
Once verified the final nail goes in that coffin, but I would like to see the clown show ... Trump supporters ingratiating themselves in the most servile and obsequious ways to throw away what little integrity any would have and certainly lose all self respect for any number of reasons.

In this comment not only is Trump guilty of everything that he has been alleged to have done but all of his supporters and accessories to his "crimes." That no one here even has any doubts about what rporter314 said shows that this is not a place for a civil discussion of the issues but a liberal echo chamber. I've told some of my conservative friends about the Rant and we agree that it is the BEST argument for the supporting the reelection of Pres. Trump.
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#316198 - 10/02/19 10:19 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
Unfortunately no.

I think the Convention argument against (or maybe it was the Federalist Papers) was the people can vote da bum outta office.

Here we don't have sex in the WH (unless you count frakking the public), but abuse of power. The conversation was a clear solicitation for authoritative oppo research implicating or implying VP Biden is or was corrupt in a quid pro quo arrangement vis a vis you get money for arms <--> I, Mr Trump, gets dirt on a political opponent.

This is one of the situations the Founders envisioned.

Once verified the final nail goes in that coffin, but I would like to see the clown show ... Trump supporters ingratiating themselves in the most servile and obsequious ways to throw away what little integrity any would have and certainly lose all self respect for any number of reasons.


The real abuse of power is being foisted upon America by the Dems right now. Stealing an election didn't work for them with Russia, so they invented another sham, and it is eerily similar to the last attempt, make up a story, protect a corrupt Presidential candidate, and make believe they actually believe what they are saying.

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#316199 - 10/02/19 10:24 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican

The real abuse of power is being foisted upon America by the Dems right now. Stealing an election didn't work for them with Russia, so they invented another sham, and it is eerily similar to the last attempt, make up a story, protect a corrupt Presidential candidate, and make believe they actually believe what they are saying.

Tim


Ahhh Tim, have you met Senator Hatrack?
You guys probably remember each other.
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#316200 - 10/02/19 10:31 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Trump guilty of everything that he has been alleged to have done

Gee I guess you have not read the complaint nor the notes on the Ukrainian call.

Mr Trump has essentially boasted about his own wrongdoing. That you are willing to accept unethical and potentially illegal behavior of an occupant of the WH is your problem.

Mr Trump has tarnished the office of the president and relegated America to 3rd rate status ...

Like I said ... it looks bad ... just waiting to see if the facts corroborate what is public and obviously a problem.

BTW recent poll reports 24% of Trump supporters would continue to support Mr Trump if he [fill in with most heinous criminal activities of personal behaviors in your imagination] .... are you one of those people? My guess is you are, so your conclusion on best argument for reelection is bogus.

You keep typing about bad government and corruption and here you have it slapping your face and you love it ... so pleeeeease .... take your phony indignation as your best argument for continuation of corruption

as Hannity says Geeeeeeeez
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#316201 - 10/02/19 10:38 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Stealing an election didn't work for them with Russia
Wait a sec .... Mr Trump stole the election with Russian help (and Dir Comey's last minute efforts). So it did work.

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protect a corrupt Presidential candidate

You mean Republicans protecting the corruption of Mr Trump. Got it. And yes Republicans actually believe? the lies they really support Mr Trump.

Mr Trump's corruption is in plain view. If you have some factual evidence of more corruption I have the number of the FBI or USAG Barr's office if you distrust the FBI. And of special interest I have the numbers of many of the nuts on Fox News. But please report the corruption.

Are you the whistleblower????
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#316202 - 10/02/19 11:42 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
Quote:
Stealing an election didn't work for them with Russia
Wait a sec .... Mr Trump stole the election with Russian help (and Dir Comey's last minute efforts). So it did work.

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protect a corrupt Presidential candidate

You mean Republicans protecting the corruption of Mr Trump. Got it. And yes Republicans actually believe? the lies they really support Mr Trump.

Mr Trump's corruption is in plain view. If you have some factual evidence of more corruption I have the number of the FBI or USAG Barr's office if you distrust the FBI. And of special interest I have the numbers of many of the nuts on Fox News. But please report the corruption.

Are you the whistleblower????


rporter314's own comments show the weakness of the allegations against Pres. Trump. If you will notice that in his reply he took Ma_Republican's comments out of context and in doing so rporter314 only used part of them. If rporter314 does that to support his arguments it calls into question the proof that he is basing his claim that Trump is guilty of the allegations against him. The elections that Ma_Republican was referring to were the primary elections not the general election. But rporter314's taking Ma_Republican's comment out of context changed what Ma_Republican was talking about. Talking them out of context also changed Ma_Republican's comment from being about Mrs. Clinton to imply that the corrupt Presidential candidate was Trump. That is what is known as a lie of omission. When rporter314 omitted most of what Ma_Republican said he omitted all of the information in order to prove what he believes. By greatly reducing his own credibility, as was done with these comments, the credibility of the allegations against Trump are also greatly reduced.
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