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#316903 - 10/18/19 05:13 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...If you put ALL of the racist comments that Pres. Trump is supposed to have made he does not even come close to be as racist as Wilson was.

Are you sure that you want to go there? smile

Elijah Cummings' Baltimore District:
Originally Posted By: Trump
“disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess” where “no human being would want to live.”


Trump on 'The Squad':
Originally Posted By: Trump
they should “go back” to the “totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.”


Trump on Liz Warren:
Originally Posted By: Trump
Goofy Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to as Pocahontas...


Need more examples? I'll be happy to post more - because there is A LOT more. smile
Go for for it! But before you do take a look at what Pres. Wilson DID! Trump may have MADE a lot of racist comments but actions speak louder than words. Wilson's racism
Originally Posted By: Government Executive
Washington was a rigidly segregated town--except for federal government agencies. They had been integrated during the post-war Reconstruction period, enabling African Americans to obtain federal jobs and work side by side with whites in government agencies. Wilson promptly authorized members of his cabinet to reverse this long-standing policy of racial integration in the federal civil service.
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#316908 - 10/18/19 11:26 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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President Wilson? Apples and oranges, it was a different time, when racism was the norm, everything was segregated and everyone was racist.
WHen performing in blackface was perfectly fine and the words cultural appropriation had never been uttered.

Folks a little more woke these days. At least most folks. Racists have generally flocked to the Republican party. White supremacists like Steve King openly display their racism in the halls of congress and get re-elected in spite of it. Hate crimes against people of color have soared under Trump. You might know your history very well, Senator, but you don't much seem to be up on current events.
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#316911 - 10/19/19 12:03 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
You might know your history very well, Senator, but you don't much seem to be up on current events.


Only those parts of history which buttress the historical revisionism he takes part in, like how today's Democrats aren't really any different than the Civil War Democrats.

So tired of all the alternative facts spewing out of the Republican Ministry of Truth.
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#316913 - 10/19/19 12:32 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
President Wilson? Apples and oranges, it was a different time, when racism was the norm, everything was segregated and everyone was racist.
WHen performing in blackface was perfectly fine and the words cultural appropriation had never been uttered.

Folks a little more woke these days. At least most folks. Racists have generally flocked to the Republican party. White supremacists like Steve King openly display their racism in the halls of congress and get re-elected in spite of it. Hate crimes against people of color have soared under Trump. You might know your history very well, Senator, but you don't much seem to be up on current events.
Had you read the articlr Greger you would have learned that not everything was segregated. Employment in our federal government was DESEGREGATED which Pres. Wilson reversed. The only place where there is rampant racism in the Republican Party is in the minds of Democrats. When Rep. King made those comments he was punished by his fellow Republicans in Congress. Rep. King Since it appears you don't read the articles I posted a link to here is a quote from this one.
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In a formal statement, McCarthy said King's comments were "beneath the dignity of the Party of Lincoln and the United States of America. His comments call into question whether he will treat all Americans equally, without regard for race and ethnicity. House Republicans are clear: We are all in this together, as fellow citizens equal before God and the law. As Congressman King’s fellow citizens, let us hope and pray earnestly that this action will lead to greater reflection and ultimately change on his part.”
It was in the news so who is it that doesn't seem to be up on current events, Greger? It ain't me.
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#316915 - 10/19/19 12:49 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Greger
You might know your history very well, Senator, but you don't much seem to be up on current events.


Only those parts of history which buttress the historical revisionism he takes part in, like how today's Democrats aren't really any different than the Civil War Democrats.

So tired of all the alternative facts spewing out of the Republican Ministry of Truth.
In the case of Pres. Wilson there wasn't any difference between the Civil War Democrats and the Democrats of his day. VOX Woodrow Wilson
Originally Posted By: VOX
Leaving aside the broader question of whether Wilson's name should be removed, let's be clear on one thing: Woodrow Wilson was, in fact, a racist pig. He was a racist by current standards, and he was a racist by the standards of the 1910s, a period widely acknowledged by historians as the "nadir" of post–Civil War race relations in the United States.
Republican Ministry of Truth? The Reader Rant is a branch of the Democrat's Ministry of Truth. It is because the Democrats here have not had their views challenged.
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#316919 - 10/19/19 01:57 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
More racist than Woodrow Wilson? Wilson's favorite movie was Birth of a Nation because it glorified the Klan. Birth of a Nation If you put ALL of the racist comments that Pres. Trump is supposed to have made he does not even come close to be as racist as Wilson was. That you you or anyone else even thinks that Trump is more racist than Wilson was is based on your hatred of Trump not on the truth! Wilson segregated the federal workforce. Wilson's racism Any claim you have to being principled NW just disappeared with your claim that Trump is more racist than Wilson was.
Thank you, my friend! I believe that is the funniest post you've ever made. It truly made my day. I believe, though, that you posted it in the wrong thread.
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#316922 - 10/19/19 02:30 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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It was in the news so who is it that doesn't seem to be up on current events, Greger? It ain't me.

Yes, he finally got called on the carpet for it. It wasn't a single event and justice was not swift. But occasionally even Republicans begin to frown on blatant racism.

King began his racist agenda in 2002 and has never strayed far from it. In fact he, as others, were emboldened to speak freely of their hatred after Donald Trump made it clear that his was a racist agenda as well.
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#316923 - 10/19/19 02:43 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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The only place where there is rampant racism in the Republican Party is in the minds of Democrats.

Yes that is precisely the exact talking point from the Republican Party, the party of Lincoln. Only it has not been the party of Lincoln since at least the 1960's. I guess you never heard of the Southern Strategy.

Originally Posted By: wiki
In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.
Please don't tell me this is a lie or liberal propaganda.

In a study of the 2016 election the authors "found support for Trump “was strongly linked to how Republican voters felt about blacks, immigrants, and Muslims, and to how much discrimination Republican voters believed that whites themselves faced.”"

The problem is how Republicans apparently define racism. As one Trump supporter said, Mr Trump doesn't own a black slave. Or to say it another way, Republicans define racism so narrowly that only the use of the word "N&&&R" qualifies as being racist.

So NO!!!! your belief, and that is all it is, a belief, racism does not exist in the Republican Party, is some delusion you want to believe, unfortunately it is simply not true nor valid. And here where I live, where The Trump Base resides, they are all 100% racists.

Very sad ... and even more sad when party leaders continue to use the phrase "The Party of Lincoln" as if the Base is something other than racist. What do you think all those elected Republicans fear?

But don't take my word for it. Take the word of the KKK or the neo-Nazis. They understand completely what Mr Trump is talking about, and he speaks their language.
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#316928 - 10/19/19 03:19 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: rporter314]
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Y'know, Lincoln wasn't all that fond of black folks himself.

My family was southern democrats who never went over to the republican side. There was racism in my family but there was never hatred. Not everybody felt that way. My daddy taught me that a man was a man no matter the color of his skin.
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#316932 - 10/19/19 04:58 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
More racist than Woodrow Wilson? Wilson's favorite movie was Birth of a Nation because it glorified the Klan. Birth of a Nation If you put ALL of the racist comments that Pres. Trump is supposed to have made he does not even come close to be as racist as Wilson was. That you you or anyone else even thinks that Trump is more racist than Wilson was is based on your hatred of Trump not on the truth! Wilson segregated the federal workforce. Wilson's racism Any claim you have to being principled NW just disappeared with your claim that Trump is more racist than Wilson was.
Thank you, my friend! I believe that is the funniest post you've ever made. It truly made my day. I believe, though, that you posted it in the wrong thread.
You are not and never have been my friend. So please quit patronizing me by calling your friend.

Since you cannot refute the fact that Woodrow Wilson was a racist, when even the liberal website Vox says he was, you have to try to laugh off my comment. Here again is the article from Vox
Quote:
Leaving aside the broader question of whether Wilson's name should be removed, let's be clear on one thing: Woodrow Wilson was, in fact, a racist pig. He was a racist by current standards, and he was a racist by the standards of the 1910s, a period widely acknowledged by historians as the "nadir" of post–Civil War race relations in the United States.
In the Vox article there is a picture of the screen cards from the silent movie Birth of a Nation. The card says;
Quote:
The white men were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation.
.....until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern country. Woodrow Wilson

Smithsoian National Postal Museum
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Woodrow Wilson: Federal Segregation

During Woodrow Wilson’s 1912 presidential campaign, he promised African Americans advancement. He stated, “Should I become President of the United States, [Negroes] [sic] may count upon me for absolute fair dealing and for everything by which I could assist in advancing the interests of their race in the United States.”(1) Believing in his promise, many African Americans broke their affiliation with the Republican Party and voted for Wilson. He did not, however, fulfill the promises he made during the campaign to the African American community during his presidency. Less than a month after his March 4, 1913 inauguration,(2) President Wilson’s Administration took the first steps towards segregating the federal service.

The question of federal segregation was first discussed in high administration circles at a closed cabinet meeting on April 11, 1913.(3) At the Cabinet meeting Postmaster General Albert S. Burleson argued for segregating the Railway Mail Service. He was disturbed by whites and African Americans working in the Railway Mail Service train cars. The workers shared glasses, towels, and washrooms.(4) He said segregation was in the best interest of the African American employees and in the best interest of the Railway Mail Service.(5) Burleson’s ultimate goal was not only to make the railway lines “lily white”(6) but to segregate all government departments.(7) President Wilson replied to Burleson by saying that he had made “no promises in particular to Negroes [sic], except to do them justice.”(8) He argued that he “wished the matter adjusted in a way to make the least friction”.(9) While President Wilson expressed no direct objections to Burleson’s segregation plans, support came primarily from other cabinet members.
Want to try an laugh off proof of Wilson's racism from the liberal Vox website and the Smithsonian Museum?
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