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#316848 - 10/17/19 06:50 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Don't look now, but the Republicans are making their move to pre-empt the Dems in taking out Trump...
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#316855 - 10/17/19 08:35 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: perotista]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 14608
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: perotista

What I'm looking for come 2020 is not someone with bold new ideas to upset the apple cart. Just someone who will provide steady, reliable leadership. More like IKE than FDR. Certainly not a Trump, Hillary, Warren or Sanders. Yes, Biden would do nicely. Although I would prefer a much younger person.


Nice dream, but utterly impossible after a reign of terror like Trump's. A Biden presidency is exactly what the Trumpers of the world would dream of if they had to endure any defeat.
A Biden presidency would give them the target rich environment that they desire.
Ready for eleven back to back Hunter Biden investigations?

Nope...sorry Perotista, but in the words of several very prominent strategists, "The Republican Party must be utterly destroyed in order to rebuild it". The appropriate response to Trump is not a spoonful of pablum and reruns of "Friends" on the Turner channel.
Friends is fun to watch but that world no longer exists.
9/11 didn't destroy it, Trump did.

And his little friends are watching the HAL TURNER channel.

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#316857 - 10/17/19 09:07 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I am sad about the passing of Elijah Cummings. I greatly respected him. I am concerned about how it will affect the process. Cummings was a steady hand who didn't tolerate crap from either side. Not a grandstander, but a gentleman. I admit, I don't admire Schiff or Nadler, although I agree with them. Impeachment is serious business and should not be blindly partisan. Cummings exemplified that approach. I'm trying to think of who can replace him in that role and I am coming up blank.


Not a lot of depth on the Democratic bench is there? Democrats have been the downtrodden party of losers for so long that it's showing up when one of the good ones is lost.
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#316862 - 10/17/19 10:35 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Greger]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Registered: 08/03/04
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I am sad about the passing of Elijah Cummings. I greatly respected him. I am concerned about how it will affect the process. Cummings was a steady hand who didn't tolerate crap from either side. Not a grandstander, but a gentleman. I admit, I don't admire Schiff or Nadler, although I agree with them. Impeachment is serious business and should not be blindly partisan. Cummings exemplified that approach. I'm trying to think of who can replace him in that role and I am coming up blank.


Not a lot of depth on the Democratic bench is there? Democrats have been the downtrodden party of losers for so long that it's showing up when one of the good ones is lost.


We had some depth but we've been allowing overweening political correctness to run amuk.
We could have had Al Franken.
But I guess we can't have nice things, because...
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#316873 - 10/18/19 01:29 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Registered: 09/05/19
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: perotista

What I'm looking for come 2020 is not someone with bold new ideas to upset the apple cart. Just someone who will provide steady, reliable leadership. More like IKE than FDR. Certainly not a Trump, Hillary, Warren or Sanders. Yes, Biden would do nicely. Although I would prefer a much younger person.


Nice dream, but utterly impossible after a reign of terror like Trump's. A Biden presidency is exactly what the Trumpers of the world would dream of if they had to endure any defeat.
A Biden presidency would give them the target rich environment that they desire.
Ready for eleven back to back Hunter Biden investigations?

Nope...sorry Perotista, but in the words of several very prominent strategists, "The Republican Party must be utterly destroyed in order to rebuild it". The appropriate response to Trump is not a spoonful of pablum and reruns of "Friends" on the Turner channel.
Friends is fun to watch but that world no longer exists.
9/11 didn't destroy it, Trump did.

And his little friends are watching the HAL TURNER channel.


I'm not worried about the Republican Party, sending it to the trash heap of history wouldn't bother me one bit. I'd also like to see the Democratic Party join it.

Here's a prediction, I'm sure the Democrats will nominate one of its far leftist. Because of the egotistic oaf we have as president, that leftist wins along with the Democrats gaining the senate. The Democrats will view this as a mandate for them when it was a vote against Trump, not necessarily for them or their nominee. The senate Democrats will completely eliminate the filibuster to rush through their leftist agenda. But they go too far which lets the GOP regain control of the House in 2022.

We seen this play out after the election of 2008 with 2010 happening. Little steps are fine with most Americans, they tend to rebel against gigantic steps. Especially when they aren't listen to. We have a growing number of independents, rising from 30% in 2006 to 40% of the electorate today. Neither party can win elections without attracting independents as Hillary found out. Perhaps pablum is what these folks are looking for in the form of steady, reliable leadership. Not a push to the far right or far left. We'll see as you have my forecast in writing.
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#316892 - 10/18/19 11:34 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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I have to admit, I have been shaken by the events of today, and of the last week. I am now confident that there is no depth that Trump will not plumb in his quest to be the most corrupt President in US (and most of the world's) history. It's like he is trying to push every button he can in the quest for impeachment - emoluments, self-dealing, lying, politicizing foreign policy, giving Putin every advantage he can, betraying every ally - and not just "not hiding it" but shoving it in everyone's face. He is more arrogant and less principled that Andrew Jackson, more corrupt than Harding's entire cabinet, more criminal than Nixon, more racist than Woodrow Wilson or Andrew Johnson, less competent than Polk or Coolidge or Bush Jr. Frankly, there is no aspect of any of the worst, most contemptible White House occupants that Trump has not exceeded by a mile. He is a one-man constitutional crisis.

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#316898 - 10/18/19 01:54 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Mick Mulvaney admits to Trump's Ukranian quid pro quo. smile


Oops! Mulvaney walks back the admission of Trump's Ukranian quid pro quo.

gobsmacked

Believe the lying liars the first time. smile
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#316899 - 10/18/19 02:52 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Mr Trump said there is no QPQ therefore there is no QPQ. The Base believes it as fact and nothing can change that.
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#316901 - 10/18/19 04:08 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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More racist than Woodrow Wilson? Wilson's favorite movie was Birth of a Nation because it glorified the Klan. Birth of a Nation If you put ALL of the racist comments that Pres. Trump is supposed to have made he does not even come close to be as racist as Wilson was. That you you or anyone else even thinks that Trump is more racist than Wilson was is based on your hatred of Trump not on the truth! Wilson segregated the federal workforce. Wilson's racism Any claim you have to being principled NW just disappeared with your claim that Trump is more racist than Wilson was.
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#316902 - 10/18/19 04:32 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Registered: 05/09/05
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Loc: Puget Sound, WA
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...If you put ALL of the racist comments that Pres. Trump is supposed to have made he does not even come close to be as racist as Wilson was.

Are you sure that you want to go there? smile

Elijah Cummings' Baltimore District:
Originally Posted By: Trump
“disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess” where “no human being would want to live.”


Trump on 'The Squad':
Originally Posted By: Trump
they should “go back” to the “totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.”


Trump on Liz Warren:
Originally Posted By: Trump
Goofy Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to as Pocahontas...


Need more examples? I'll be happy to post more - because there is A LOT more. smile
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