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#316257 - 10/04/19 03:36 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: Greger]
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the Ukraine

As I understand it there is no "The" in Ukraine. The USA or The UK or The United Arab Emirates is cool but Ukraine is just Ukraine.

That seems wholly discriminatory. coffee
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#316258 - 10/04/19 03:40 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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the Ukraine

As I understand it there is no "The" in Ukraine. The USA or The UK or The United Arab Emirates is cool but Ukraine is just Ukraine.
I had the same understanding.
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"The Ukraine" used to be the usual form in English,[20] but since the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine, "the Ukraine" has become less common in the English-speaking world, and style-guides largely recommend not using the definite article.[11][21] "The Ukraine" now implies disregard for the country's sovereignty, according to U.S. ambassador William Taylor.[22] The Ukrainian position is that the usage of "'The Ukraine' is incorrect both grammatically and politically."[7]
(Wikipedia).

The reality is it is just an affectation/grammatical error. This article explains: Ukraine or "The" Ukraine?
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First of all we might note that the Ukrainian language has no articles so this is not a factor except indirectly. The reason for this is that many Ukrainian immigrant scholars, due to their imperfect knowledge of English, used the form "the Ukraine" in their books thus helping to perpetuate this usage.

Does English grammar require the definite article the before Ukraine? Ukraine is the name of an independent country. There are only two groups of countries which require the article in English: Those with plural names such as the United States or the Netherlands. The others have names with adjectival or compound forms which require the article, such as the United Kingdom, the Dominion of Canada, or the Ukrainian SSR.

English grammar does not require a definite article before the names of singular countries such as England, Canada or Ukraine.

Geographical regions such as the Arctic, the Atlantic, the North, the West, and the prairies all require the definite article, but these are not countries. Since 1917 Ukraine has had very definite borders so it cannot be regarded as merely a region. Some people have mistakenly thought that Ukraine is a general word meaning "the borderland;' "the steppes" or "the prairies;' which would require the article.

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#316263 - 10/04/19 04:49 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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I use both.

When Ukraine was a part of Russia/USSR I think it appropriate to say The Ukraine because it was an area/province in Russia/USSR. Since it has become independent ... well I believe the name of the sovereign state is simply ... Ukraine. Thus I spent a lot of time in my youth saying The Ukraine ... kinda like The Congo ... and on it goes
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#316264 - 10/04/19 05:24 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Yeah, I always thought it was like "the Caucuses" or "the Urals", but now I know better (sorta). It's more like Canada.

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#316294 - 10/05/19 03:42 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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I think their defense has devolved into the apple you see is not an apple. It is an orange.

The Base has taken a bite of the apple and they think it IS an orange.
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#316298 - 10/05/19 06:36 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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• Trump says there was no quid pro quo
• His hapless fans spend two days spamming the internet with "NO QUID PRO QUO"
• Text evidence between State Officials released showing ironclad proof of the quid pro quo

So much Trump corruption, so little time. coffee
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#316304 - 10/05/19 10:44 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Trump rats-out Rick Perry in the Ukrainian scandal.

Drain the #TrumpSwamp. smile

I thought it was odd that Rick Perry was resigning in a few weeks. Now we know why. Hmm

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#316390 - 10/07/19 05:02 AM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Perry insists he was just there to talk about energy. That natural gas blackmail thingie Russia was attempting until we began sending LNG to Europe. I wonder if Trump is drowning and grabbing any convenient swimmer to try to save himself.

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#316545 - 10/10/19 05:13 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Today, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two foreign-born associates of President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, have been charged with campaign finance violations. Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas worked with Giuliani, the attorney has said previously, as part of his dealings in Ukraine that involved efforts to encourage the nation to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden.

The House impeachment investigating committees asked Parnas and Furman to produce documents and to testify about the Ukraine scandal. Yesterday 10/09/19 their lawyer wrote an astounding letter denying Congress had the authority to make such demands and that it was simply trying to "harass, intimidate and embarrass" his clients. He wrote the letter in comic sans font, which seems to suggest he is laughing at the idea he and his clients have to answer to Congress.

This morning 10/10/19, the two were arrested for these charges.
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#316548 - 10/10/19 05:32 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: pdx rick]
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I just dropped this over in another thread. I got a good belly laugh out of it!
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