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#316859 - 10/17/19 10:07 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: Greger]
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Yes indeedy,

Ruminate away.

I'm not sure this Ukraine nefariousness will confine itself to Biden's campaign. It may have the opposite effect of energizing Trump's base as Russiagate did.
The fact that it's so easy to call B.S. on this one makes me wonder what the consequences will be for liberal's chances of regaining the senate and White house.
Trump should be able to negate the allegations as Democrats hands are dirty in the Ukraine as well.
If elections are about turning out your base I wonder who's base will be more energized over this?

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#316860 - 10/17/19 10:19 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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"The Ukraine story might sink his campaign, but it also may help… Impeachment does commit Democrats to a strident defense of Biden and his son, even if, or perhaps especially if, there’s a real problem that needs regular PR response."

Taibbi on the possible effects of Ukrainegate

Interesting take on how this may go down.

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#316868 - 10/17/19 11:49 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: chunkstyle]
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Since Biden has nothing to offer voters beyond making america great again by doing nothing at all I hope voters will be shying away from him.

Rallying around an empty old suit that smells of mothballs and urine is a lovely thought but as far as I'm concerned a Biden administration will be worse than a Trump second term. He's too old to serve two terms, his VP choice is bound to be some lackluster nobody. Maybe Booker? Republicans will make him a one term president and we'll be back to square one.
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#316874 - 10/18/19 01:29 AM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
chunkstyle Offline
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“Rallying around an empty old suit that smells of mothballs and urine” - Har!

Still, Taibbi made a few good observations of the debate and party in general. Given a choice between an agenda of broad popular proposals and a masquerade of ‘electability’ arguments and ‘mutual values’ platforms, I could see a Biden nomination come out of this.
Dunno, but the Ukraine corruption may prove to be an exposure liability that forces the Party to protect Biden for mutual self preservation as Taibbi suggests it could.
Next couple of weeks should be telling of wether the party abandons him or stays unified in the ‘nothingburger’ position they’ve currently taken.

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#316929 - 10/19/19 03:41 AM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: chunkstyle]
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I know Biden stands a fair chance of getting the nod but I simply cannot abide even the thought of it, so I live in this fantasy where Warren will beat him. There's a good chance it happens exactly as I plan, the path is wide open. Democratic voters have this one chance to get this thing right. They may not get another for a long time. They may not get another chance at all.
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#317035 - 10/22/19 03:58 AM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Wouldn't it be a hoot if Biden got the nod and then picked Warren as VP? Presidents have usually picked some nebbish as the VP, just as assassination insurance I think. How about picking some Democrat from the opposite wing of the Party just to get all the Democratic voters to come out? What a concept!

That would take care of the age concerns as well: If Biden became less capable, his VP could handle more of the job. If he got really bad, he could resign and she would take over. Might be the only way we get a female President, since women seem so reluctant to vote for women.

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#317043 - 10/22/19 03:50 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Interesting concept and even I might vote for him if....no, no I wouldn't Biden is absolutely unacceptable under any circumstances.
I will not contribute to the fiasco Biden would create.

He's far more likely to pick Mayor Pete. In fact...let me make it an official prediction.

Biden will pick Mayor Pete if he gets the nod. Because youth and gayness.


He couldn't abide a genuine progressive as a running mate.
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#317058 - 10/22/19 06:05 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Interesting concept and even I might vote for him if....no, no I wouldn't Biden is absolutely unacceptable under any circumstances.

I felt the same way about Hillz and didn't vote in 2016. What did ol' Uncle Joe do to you? Hmm
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#317059 - 10/22/19 06:18 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Bill Taylor confirmed Trump's Ukranian quid pro quo this morning to Congress. smile
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#317060 - 10/22/19 06:32 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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I can already hear the excuses now:

Quote:
"I don't care what you say, Biden is worse than Trump!"

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