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#314494 - 08/31/19 03:25 PM Where have all the conservatives gone?
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This is not just about RR, but conservative voices generally. I should clarify that I mean "real" conservatives who take positions on principle, and have rational (if, I will add, misguided) bases for their views, and don't spend all of their time making cock-eyed claims about "libruls", them being "pwned", and lumping everyone left of Genghis Khan into the "progressive/socialist/communist" camp because they can't discern a difference, and complain that anyone with an ounce of compassion is weak and un-American.

Will Hurd, soon-to-be-late of the House was one such. I'd put Jeff Flake in that category, too. George Will? Bill Kristol? It's not that I ever agreed with them, but at least they didn't assume anyone who didn't was the devil incarnate worthy of excommunication or worse. Those that think before they speak, and use measured tones.
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#314500 - 08/31/19 05:03 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Let's be honest here and rip the Band-Aid off.

As a political philosophy in America, Conservatism is on the wane. Heck, Conservatives can't even win a the presidency unless it involves the last vestige of slavery - the electoral college. MOST Americans have rejected Conservatism and continue to do so. Conservatives will...not...accept...this...fact.

Look at the GOPs numbers - they're shrinking and have been shrinking for DECADES. #GOPWalkAway

I couldn't care less whether today's "Conservatism" is a bastardized form of neo-classical post paleo Conservatism or whatever it was back in the day of Birchers. I just know what "Conservatism" means today and that means heavy doses of racism and bigotry, while paying as little of their fair share of taxes, and being a Trump supporter. Even the changing definition of what Conservative means has Conservatives in a dither.

Conservatives are having a temper-trantum of epic proportions as they realize that they are indeed dinosaurs and at they same time, trying to force their way of life onto the majority in order to make Conservatism take root, like a regular, home-grown radicalized Evangelical American ISIS-like member. Their thinking is so 20th century. Their need for a homogenous society like Russia, is so 20th century. Their need for marriage to be between a man and woman and a hot pool boy and a hot personal trainer is so hypocritical.

Diversity of all stripes is where it is at and where America is heading. Conservatives can't stop progress no matter how many idiotic "trains" which the Conservative jumps upon.

Frankly, I have no use for the Conservative - except to totally publicly humiliate one by pointedly highlighting their asinine thinking and hypocrisy in order to make them an example of how not to think and behave in polite society.

Hmm
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#314509 - 08/31/19 07:05 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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To be honest, I actually admired Hatrack's assertion that conservatives CONSERVE things. Too bad HE didn't actually do much of that, but at least he recognized the concept.

Conservativism is cautious thinking, preservation of useful traditions, pragmatic application of tried and true tested ideas and values, honoring the pocketbook of the taxpayers, devotion to old fashioned customs, limited or simplified government.

By the way, things like honoring the military, patriotic love of country, devotion to God and family, none of those things are the exclusive province of conservatives, no matter how much they insist they are, no matter how often they label others outside the conservative circle as godless America haters intent on destroying traditional family models.

And there is no reason to be surprised to learn that one can encounter liberals who share certain conservative values either.

But the most important thing to bear in mind is the fact that conservatives and liberals need each other, because without the loyal opposition keeping the other side honest, the other side always gets weird.

And that's what's been happening this last decade or so.
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#314510 - 08/31/19 07:33 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
...I actually admired Hatrack's assertion that conservatives CONSERVE things...
  • Keep America ruled by white partiarchy
  • Pay as little in taxes as possible
  • Only admit educated white immigrants
  • Promote faith over science
There's so much there to conserve. coffee
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#314511 - 08/31/19 07:34 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: pdx rick]
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Conservatism is on the wane.

I have heard or read several "conservative" talk show hosts who have said conservatives have not been able to explain conservatism properly, presumably because it is too difficult to argue their case without outright lying and my conclusion is your statement.
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#314512 - 08/31/19 07:35 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
...honoring the military...

I suppose honoring Americans who pledge their life and blood (literally) for American imperialism abroad is a good thing.

Hmm
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#314514 - 08/31/19 07:41 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
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Conservatism is on the wane.

I have heard or read several "conservative" talk show hosts who have said conservatives have not been able to explain conservatism properly, presumably because it is too difficult to argue their case without outright lying and my conclusion is your statement.

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#314518 - 08/31/19 09:40 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: pdx rick]
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What passes for conservatism these days is pretty hard to explain.
By going all in with Trump, Republicans have set themselves up to fall with him when he goes down.

In real terms that means Democrats might keep control for four years or longer. Long enough to make a positive impact on the economy beyond just fixing what Trump screws up.

And long enough to reform the Democratic Party too. It's a little too "conservative" if you ask me.
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#314520 - 08/31/19 09:49 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
What passes for conservatism these days is pretty hard to explain.
By going all in with Trump, Republicans have set themselves up to fall with him when he goes down.

In real terms that means Democrats might keep control for four years or longer. Long enough to make a positive impact on the economy beyond just fixing what Trump screws up.

And long enough to reform the Democratic Party too. It's a little too "conservative" if you ask me.

Yes, the Dems need to reform too - but we are not nearly as bad as the across the aisle folks.

While we're in charge and reforming Dem ourselves, picking-up three SCOTUS seats would be ideal too. smile
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#314524 - 08/31/19 10:31 PM Re: Where have all the conservatives gone? [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Let's be honest here and rip the Band-Aid off.

As a political philosophy in America, Conservatism is on the wane. Heck, Conservatives can't even win a the presidency unless it involves the last vestige of slavery - the electoral college. MOST Americans have rejected Conservatism and continue to do so. Conservatives will...not...accept...this...fact.

Look at the GOPs numbers - they're shrinking and have been shrinking for DECADES. #GOPWalkAway

I couldn't care less whether today's "Conservatism" is a bastardized form of neo-classical post paleo Conservatism or whatever it was back in the day of Birchers. I just know what "Conservatism" means today and that means heavy doses of racism and bigotry, while paying as little of their fair share of taxes, and being a Trump supporter. Even the changing definition of what Conservative means has Conservatives in a dither.

Conservatives are having a temper-trantum of epic proportions as they realize that they are indeed dinosaurs and at they same time, trying to force their way of life onto the majority in order to make Conservatism take root, like a regular, home-grown radicalized Evangelical American ISIS-like member. Their thinking is so 20th century. Their need for a homogenous society like Russia, is so 20th century. Their need for marriage to be between a man and woman and a hot pool boy and a hot personal trainer is so hypocritical.

Diversity of all stripes is where it is at and where America is heading. Conservatives can't stop progress no matter how many idiotic "trains" which the Conservative jumps upon.

Frankly, I have no use for the Conservative - except to totally publicly humiliate one by pointedly highlighting their asinine thinking and hypocrisy in order to make them an example of how not to think and behave in polite society.

Hmm

This is a caricature of Conservatism. The only place it is accurate is in the author's egotistical closed mind. The links he used to support his views are liberal ones that reinforce his egregiously erroneous opinion of Conservatives.

If Conservatism is a failed and dying ideology why do 27 of the 50 states have Republican governors? Why do Republicans control 22 state legislatures while the Democrats control only 14? The author of this comment lives in an ideological cocoon and doesn't even know it! He, like a lot of closed minded liberals, thinks Pres. Trump is the Republican Party. Trump is not the Republican Party nor is Trump much of a Conservative!

His opening statement saying that the Electoral College is the last vestige of slavery demolishes the rest of what he has to say. Without the Electoral College the city and county of Los Angeles would determine who wins our Presidential elections. Does anyone here what Los Angeles to decide who are President is? I doubt that anyone does. Anyone except for closed minded egotistical arrogant liberals.

I don't mind a vigorous political debate. However, that is impossible with someone who is as smug and obnoxious as the author of this comment. Nor is he alone in that attitude. I have temporarily returned to the Rant because this comment is so obnoxious, condescending and wrong! If my comment gets me banned from the Rant I don't care.
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