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#317036 - 10/22/19 04:00 AM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: pondering_it_all]
perotista Offline
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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I havenít run across a Republican on this site yet


That's just your timing. We certainly have had them here for a very long time.

Perhaps the topics that interest them doesn't interest me and vice versa.
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#317041 - 10/22/19 02:58 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: perotista]
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What about Hatrack? He's a Republican, voted for Trump and will again.

But not a Trump cultist. More an adherent to the "any Republican is better than any Democrat" crowd. I suspect a lot of Republicans fall into this category, they'll vote for him but you won't find them at his rallies.

The Senator seems to be MIA though...hope he's okay.
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#317050 - 10/22/19 05:04 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: Greger]
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Back to topic...

What is a far leftist, anyway?

**raises hand** I am!

I'm not a Democrat and refuse to register as one even though I generally vote for them.

I don't think the Democratic Party is far enough left.

The Democratic Socialist Party best represents my political leanings but I'm not a socialist by any means and I find the name of the party to be awkward because of that. Democratic Socialism is not the same thing as Social Democracy.

In The USA today we draw the line between left and right directly between the two major parties. It's the wrong place to put it by a lot of parameters but it is what it is so we might as well work with it.

Ostensibly the Republican Party is the party of business. The merchant class, the bourgeois. Six figures and up only need apply.

And by that measure The Democratic Party is the party of the working class, the proletariat. Five figures on your tax return puts you in their domain.

But those two statements don't really ring as true as they should. Democrats are a little too cautious, a little too conservative, afraid to stray too far from Republican policy. As Republican policy has moved to the right(and it has) it has dragged the Democratic party with it.

I don't care what the polls seem to indicate, Pero, I think a majority of Americans are farther left than the Democratic Party.

Voters, on the other hand, are not. Especially primary voters who tend to be whiter, older, more middle class and more religious. Probably more male too. That's why we get crappy candidates in the general elections. It's not The Democratic Party, Chunkstyle, it's the primary voters. They picked Clinton over Sanders, not the Party. They'll probably pick Biden but I don't like to think about that.
I just want to get as far away from the Republican policies as I can get.
So if my ideology is farther left than a majority of Democrats I imagine that makes me a member of the "far left".

I can live with that.

Even though it isn't true in the strictest sense of the word.
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#317056 - 10/22/19 05:59 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: logtroll]
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As far as I can tell the "far left" is that group that are determined that their way is, obviously, better than anybody else's. The result is that the far left is determined to tell everybody else how to live their lives whilst claiming its 'democratic'. As far as the democratic party is concerned the far left seems to be peopled by the purist group who also seem incredibly sensitive to any and all offenses - which they define.

Their hearts seem to be in the right place (I have no idea if that makes it all better or not)

For me, incidentally, I like a two party system that can actually work together to legislate. This means that the resulting legislation should end up being that which both sides can live with and everybody actually gets considered. This is old school and reasonable. We are, however, not exactly in a reasonable time so that doesn't happen. Instead we have a system wherein one side needs to take it all over to get anything done, which also means that whatever side is in charge is basically at war with the other side. This assures everybody that, depending on outlook, the good guys, or bad guys are in charge. There is no middle ground - just hate and tribalism.

For grins I offer: https://www.dsausa.org/ (site for the democratic socialists of America)

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#317061 - 10/22/19 06:43 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: Greger]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Back to topic...

What is a far leftist, anyway?

**raises hand** I am!

I'm not a Democrat and refuse to register as one even though I generally vote for them.

I don't think the Democratic Party is far enough left.

The Democratic Socialist Party best represents my political leanings but I'm not a socialist by any means and I find the name of the party to be awkward because of that. Democratic Socialism is not the same thing as Social Democracy.

In The USA today we draw the line between left and right directly between the two major parties. It's the wrong place to put it by a lot of parameters but it is what it is so we might as well work with it.

Ostensibly the Republican Party is the party of business. The merchant class, the bourgeois. Six figures and up only need apply.

And by that measure The Democratic Party is the party of the working class, the proletariat. Five figures on your tax return puts you in their domain.

But those two statements don't really ring as true as they should. Democrats are a little too cautious, a little too conservative, afraid to stray too far from Republican policy. As Republican policy has moved to the right(and it has) it has dragged the Democratic party with it.

I don't care what the polls seem to indicate, Pero, I think a majority of Americans are farther left than the Democratic Party.

Voters, on the other hand, are not. Especially primary voters who tend to be whiter, older, more middle class and more religious. Probably more male too. That's why we get crappy candidates in the general elections. It's not The Democratic Party, Chunkstyle, it's the primary voters. They picked Clinton over Sanders, not the Party. They'll probably pick Biden but I don't like to think about that.
I just want to get as far away from the Republican policies as I can get.
So if my ideology is farther left than a majority of Democrats I imagine that makes me a member of the "far left".

I can live with that.

Even though it isn't true in the strictest sense of the word.


You're far Left the way Trumbo was far Left, so that's not really what I think of when I think "far Left".
It just means that you're very very liberal.

So am I, except that I attempt to keep a realist's view on the ODDS of my dreams coming true in case a little bit of it becomes possible in a compromise.
I'll take the little gains over either NO gains or complete and total REVERSALS! any day.
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#317062 - 10/22/19 06:48 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: perotista]
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Originally Posted By: perotista
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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I havenít run across a Republican on this site yet


That's just your timing. We certainly have had them here for a very long time.

Perhaps the topics that interest them doesn't interest me and vice versa.


Perotista, the Rant has been online since 1994. It is the oldest political discussion forum in history, at least as far as Doug Thompson can tell after years of research.
The Rant is, as far as anyone can tell, the original, the granddaddy, and we have had tons of conservatives.

As the internet has exploded and matured in growth, thousands of forums have popped up everywhere but we did start to wither a little bit on the vine.

YOU CAN HELP! laugh

I know this is not the exact forum to make this request but here it is:

Let's all do our best to recruit more new members, from any part of the spectrum. Just as long as they are sincere in their desire to actually talk about stuff instead of trolling.

If any of you have a candidate, just PM me and give me the info after you have invited them. If they are interested, I will take it from there and extend an invitation to them.
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#317071 - 10/22/19 10:18 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: logtroll]
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I think the Democratic party has moved so far to the right that republicans now feel comfortable calling themselves democrats. Republican party moved so far right that fascists and nazi's now feel comfortable calling themselves republicans.

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#317081 - 10/22/19 11:18 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
I think the Democratic party has moved so far to the right that republicans now feel comfortable calling themselves democrats. Republican party moved so far right that fascists and nazi's now feel comfortable calling themselves republicans.
The Democratic Party has moved to right? That is one of the most ridiculous comments I've heard in a looooong time!
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#317084 - 10/22/19 11:43 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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How so?

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#317087 - 10/23/19 12:32 AM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: jgw]
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As far as I can tell the "far left" is that group that are determined that their way is, obviously, better than anybody else's.

Funny, I thought the republicans were pretty convinced that they have the right of it!

Democrats seem certain that there way is the only way.

Who is this "far left" group anyway? Are they a political party? Or just a group of friends in Seatle?

I jest of course! But you are quite right on one count...my way is obviously better than anybody else's.

As proof I submit the overall failure of both major parties over the last 40 years.

Convinced yet or is Trump not proof enough?
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