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#317065 - 10/22/19 07:49 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: pdx rick]
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Registered: 11/24/06
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What did ol' Uncle Joe do to you?


Question is...what did ol' Uncle Joe ever do? What has he promised to do as president. What do we expect the outcome of his Presidency to be?

Do you ever recall ever thinking "I'm glad ol' Uncle Joe is the VP in case anything ever happens to Obama!"

Did you ever once think "I hope he runs for president after Obama is gone!"

Are you currently hoping he'll get the nod?

Me either. He's got nothing but experience. He's never shown me any leadership skills. He checks all the boxes for long term congressmen who should have retired years ago. I could go on...and on and on.

But what really worries me is that he's not going to be a popular president, after all, he's just a placeholder, the one most likely to beat Trump which is what's on everybody's radar. Okay so he wins...then what? No charisma, no pizzaz, fake tan, fake hair, fake smile. Dishing out oatmeal to the press and boredom with the glacial movement after all the big talk in the primaries from the progressive candidates and the excitement it generated. We'll get Slow Joe. And no agenda beyond beating Trump and working across the aisle.

There are only so many ways that the 2024 election can turn out.

The most likely, as I see it, is the Far Left Congress will piss off the Republicans with their socialist agenda and ol' Uncle Joe will be defeated by a Republican in 2024. Then we're back to square one.

A more progressive and charismatic president will excite the Democratic base with some sensible legislation and at the same time will bring some non voting Americans to the polls in the next presidential election because of those same pieces of legislation.

A fairly simple thing like adding daycare to the public school system.

Warren has a plan for that. What's Joe got? Bernie has plans too! What's Joe got? Obama.
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#317072 - 10/22/19 10:35 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: Greger]
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What's Joe got?


Simply NOT being President Jugalo... Like a return to the rule of law, the normal bounds of executive power, nominating judges that are rated "Qualified", hiring people to full administration positions who are not trying to sabotage their departments, acting as President to 100% of Americans instead of attacking anyone not in his base, supporting our allies, putting pressure on despots, and so much more.

I would prefer it not be Joe, but he's a LOT better than Trump. You could just pick any random person by lottery, and they would very likely be better than Trump.

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#317176 - 10/24/19 03:32 AM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Joe is polling at 34%. Thank you Donald Trump. smile
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#317196 - 10/24/19 03:13 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Joe is polling at 34%. Thank you Donald Trump. smile


Yeah, that asswipe is gonna feck up everything.

First he took away a Hillary Clinton presidency which would have been amazing. And now he's gonna help a geriatric, out of touch, old fraud get elected for a single term.

Color me less than excited.
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#317198 - 10/24/19 03:32 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: Greger]
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Joe Biden was first elected to office in 1970. 3 years later he became a congressman. He first ran for president in 1988. Then again 20 years later in 2008. And now here we are 10 years down the road and he's doing it again. He had nothing of interest to voters 30 years ago.
They weren't interested 10 years ago either. He has done nothing in the last 10 years and suddenly he's the leading candidate because he can magically beat Donald Trump who has a 90% approval rating within his party?

And yall gonna sit there and tell me that this is all fine and good because he's better than the worst president to ever occupy the Whitehouse.

I am not buying into this madness. It is a recipe for disaster.
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#317199 - 10/24/19 03:32 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Joe is polling at 34%. Thank you Donald Trump. smile


Yeah, that asswipe is gonna feck up everything.

First he took away a Hillary Clinton presidency which would have been amazing. And now he's gonna help a geriatric, out of touch, old fraud get elected for a single term.

Color me less than excited.

That's exactly how I felt about a Hillary presidency and why I didn't vote in 2016. Plus being in a blue state, my vote didn't matter anyway - except to add to the popular count which is not how we elect Presidents. smile
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#317210 - 10/24/19 04:35 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: Greger]
perotista Offline
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Joe Biden was first elected to office in 1970. 3 years later he became a congressman. He first ran for president in 1988. Then again 20 years later in 2008. And now here we are 10 years down the road and he's doing it again. He had nothing of interest to voters 30 years ago.
They weren't interested 10 years ago either. He has done nothing in the last 10 years and suddenly he's the leading candidate because he can magically beat Donald Trump who has a 90% approval rating within his party?

And yall gonna sit there and tell me that this is all fine and good because he's better than the worst president to ever occupy the Whitehouse.

I am not buying into this madness. It is a recipe for disaster.

I didn't buy into the madness of 2016 either, voting against both major party candidates. 25% of all Americans didn't like and didn't neither Trump nor Clinton to become president. 6% of the electorate voted against both. Some 9 million plus voters who thought it important enough to go to the polls to officially register their vote against both major party candidates. Who knows how many stayed home because of their dislike and unwanted candidates.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-...candidates.aspx

54% of all independents disliked both candidates, but all but 12% of independents, some 42% worth voted for the candidate they least wanted to lose, not to win.

We're talking about a totally screwed up election where 60% of all Americans didn't want Trump, 60% didn't want Clinton which includes the 25% which didn't want both or neither one to become president.

2016 was an election between the two most disliked and unwanted major party candidates in our history. They just happened to be matched up against each other. Both set the record for the lowest favorable and highest unfavorable records. at 58% and 60% unfavorable's, they smashed Barry Goldwater's record of 47% back in 1964, the previous record holder.

Bottom line, we have whom we have as president due to the actions, decisions and choices made by both major parties back in 2016. It wasn't like the Democrats didn't have advanced warning. In a February 2016 poll, 56% of all Americans stated they wanted the Democrats to nominate someone other than Clinton. The Democrats ignored America as a whole, which was their right, no doubt about that. America as a whole don't decide who will be the Democratic nominee, Democrats do. But America as a whole decides who will be president.
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#317211 - 10/24/19 04:50 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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We're talking about a totally screwed up election where 60% of all Americans didn't want Trump, 60% didn't want Clinton which includes the 25% which didn't want both or neither one to become president.

Here are the 2016 vote numbers:

HClinton..........65,844,954
GJohnson..........4,488,919
JStein..............1,457,044
EMcMullin............725,902
Write-Ins..........1,103,554
Other.................453,664
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Total: .............74,074,037


Trump:............62,979,879


The non-Trump, non-Clinton numbers all together don't add-up to 25% of those who voted. Hmm More like 6%. smile
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#317213 - 10/24/19 05:10 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: logtroll]
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Damn, Rick. Facts, numbers, research. It's like you're trying to inject reality into the discussion...

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#317229 - 10/24/19 10:19 PM Re: The Trump/Biden/Ukraine thing [Re: pdx rick]
perotista Offline
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Registered: 09/05/19
Posts: 201
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Quote:
We're talking about a totally screwed up election where 60% of all Americans didn't want Trump, 60% didn't want Clinton which includes the 25% which didn't want both or neither one to become president.

Here are the 2016 vote numbers:

HClinton..........65,844,954
GJohnson..........4,488,919
JStein..............1,457,044
EMcMullin............725,902
Write-Ins..........1,103,554
Other.................453,664
------------------------------------
Total: .............74,074,037


Trump:............62,979,879


The non-Trump, non-Clinton numbers all together don't add-up to 25% of those who voted. Hmm More like 6%. smile


6% of the total electorate is exactly what I stated in my post who voted third party in 2016 My exact wording was, "6% of the electorate voted against both." A reference to the third party voters. Perhaps I should have been clearer. 25% of the total electorate along with 54% of independents disliked both major party candidates which is in the Gallup article. Scroll down to the second greened in section under the title of "Opinions of Trump and Clinton, by Subgroup" for the 54% of independents having an unfavorable view of both Trump and Clinton. Here's the link once more.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-...candidates.aspx
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