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#317112 - 10/23/19 05:35 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: Greger]
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Capitalism and socialism are two different economic systems. I don't think either can exist in its purest form. But they mix easily and work together well, Like pasta and sauce! You don't want too much of either one.

Governments primary function as far as I'm concerned is to maintain the balance.

When the rich get so rich that the poor have no food or shelter it is an indication that things are out of balance.
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#317113 - 10/23/19 05:38 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: logtroll]
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a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Also a dictionary definition. No mention of the state owning the means.


Here’s a complete hatchet job that confuses fools, also a bunch of words that give a different meaning:

Common ownership under socialism may take shape through technocratic, oligarchic, totalitarian, democratic or even voluntary rule. Prominent historical examples of socialist countries include the former Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. Contemporary examples include Cuba, Venezuela, and China.

The goal there is to make a complete incoherency out of common shared beliefs, I’m guessing.

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#317115 - 10/23/19 05:43 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Semantics. Spare me them.

Mixed systems work. Ours is out of whack.
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#317116 - 10/23/19 05:44 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Capitalism and socialism are two different economic systems. I don't think either can exist in its purest form. But they mix easily and work together well, Like pasta and sauce! You don't want too much of either one.

Governments primary function as far as I'm concerned is to maintain the balance.

When the rich get so rich that the poor have no food or shelter it is an indication that things are out of balance.
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#317117 - 10/23/19 06:01 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: Greger]
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There's a lot of places you can put the line between Right and Left.

Some of them aren't even related. Today, in America, that line is drawn between the two parties. I'm pretty sure I just typed a bunch of shite about that. It's the wrong place to put it but it's a convenient marker.

By that standard I am "Far Left"

By others maybe not so much. A social democrat is quite a ways to the right of a card carrying socialist.

Who is somewhat to the right of an avowed communist.

I think social democracy is the missing link that Marx and Engles never thought of.
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#317119 - 10/23/19 06:16 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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A social democrat is quite a ways to the right of a card carrying socialist.




Speaking of symantics, Howzat?

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#317121 - 10/23/19 06:32 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Mixed system vs. a swing to Marxian socialism.
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#317122 - 10/23/19 06:53 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: logtroll]
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Your saying Marx advocated state ownership of the means of production over a mixed system?

Could you explain what you mean by a mixed system?

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#317123 - 10/23/19 07:01 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: logtroll]
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Are you referring to a European style mixed system of state owned utilities and private enterprise when you talk of a mixed system?

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#317141 - 10/23/19 11:05 PM Re: What is a far leftist, anyway? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Quote:
A mixed economic system is a system that combines aspects of both capitalism and socialism. A mixed economic system protects private property and allows a level of economic freedom in the use of capital, but also allows for governments to interfere in economic activities in order to achieve social aims.
Mixed Economic System Definition - Investopedia

mixed system
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