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#317134 - 10/23/19 10:28 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
the Democratic Party has proposed Butkus.

Minor point of information: Butkus was a Dick who played football a long time ago. Bupkis is the one who is generally credited to be a total zero. wink


Edited by logtroll (10/24/19 12:29 AM)
Edit Reason: spelling air-or
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#317138 - 10/23/19 10:56 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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#317244 - 10/25/19 01:03 AM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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I guess I will not be getting any suggestions. Hmm
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#317245 - 10/25/19 02:25 AM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I’m sorry Jeff, were you asking a question?

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#317246 - 10/25/19 02:34 AM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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“Fame defensive end Deacon Jones, Butkus "was a well-conditioned animal, and every time he hit you, he tried to put you in the cemetery, not the hospital."

Dang!

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#317247 - 10/25/19 02:40 AM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Following the lead of pharma-friendly Rep. Richard Neal, Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee this week crushed several progressive amendments to a House drug pricing bill that would have expanded the number of medicines covered by the legislation and extended lower costs to the nation's tens of millions of uninsured.
Neoliberals....

But hey, that’s how the world works


Edited by chunkstyle (10/25/19 02:42 AM)

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#317249 - 10/25/19 03:42 AM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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Like I said, unlikely that everybody comes to their senses and decides to do the right thing. Humans (Republican AND Democratic) are complex beings with the ability to rationalize anything that benefits themselves as benefiting their constituents. They "think" they are doing the right thing, though it may be very right for them and not so much for everybody else.

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#317254 - 10/25/19 12:36 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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“Pffffttt, why do I get the sense that you're just taking out your frustration at the reality of the way the world works by taking it out on people here and mocking what we said?

Ahhh, maybe it's just my imagination.“

I’ll take that statement to task. Like so much Lib BS you claim to know ‘how the world ‘works’?
From what I can tell your simply sh!t posting into the internet whatever the current windup form of infotainment is on your TV.
Or it’s getting into a ‘facts and reason’ battle with the extreme right.
Neither is politics but it has been mainstreamed as though it were.

Any progress in this country was not achieved by taking a firm stand of ‘but The other sides doing it’ or the appeal for phoney timelines being realistic.
Never.
Name one Jeff of that working in the ‘real world’?

You and others here insisting on your real world arbitrary timelines and rationalizing deferring any real progress for tarted up status quo arguments, are simply justifying your own ideologies as I do mine. Fine.

Single payer is not radical. What is radical, in the face of unnecessary commodity cruelty of healthcare, is withholding your support of such a plan with vague rationales of being ‘reality’ and other condescending arguments. That is stunningly radical not the other way around.

What were some of the other arguments? Others might not like such a large change?
Well what does professor history say? What happened the last time Democrats passed ‘radical’ legislation that addressed people’s material concerns having broad popular support? Oh, right. They enjoyed congressional majorities for the next 40 years.

Since the Clintons taking the party to the right as a solution to winning occasional majorities in Congress or winning the Oval Office, we have been locked into this game of ‘who’s more conservative’ between both political parties with the end result being this historic level of poverty, corporate crime (while the laws are still there as such) and state violence to third world colonies. Side note: libdems deregulated banking, imposed austerity, deindustrialized the Midwest, expanded wars, etc etc etc.

So pardon me if I don’t buy your , ‘hey man that’s just how things are’, rationals any more than you buy into the more conservative arguments made here by others.
Your arguments remind me of Kings fear of liberal apathy more than the racists or KKK.




Edited by chunkstyle (10/25/19 12:45 PM)

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#317255 - 10/25/19 04:08 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: chunkstyle]
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So pardon me if I don’t buy your , ‘hey man that’s just how things are’


Things aren't how they are because I want them to be this way.

Even discussing healthcare with a Republican President and a Republican Senate is a complete waste of time. Even if the house passes a watered down pharma bill it will never see the light of day in the senate. Even if they hope watering it down might get McConnell to put it to a vote.

Bernie's plan is to incrementally lower the age for Medicare enrollment. First to 55 then to 45 on down the line until everyone is covered. It could take many many years to accomplish it and enormous political resistance each time another step is taken. He plans to pay for it with a transaction tax on Wall Street.

Warren's plan is to abolish private insurance and put everyone on Medicare all at once. She plans to pay for it with a 2% tax on wealth over $50Million.

What's your plan? You with Bernie and incrementalism? Or Warren's more radical approach? Biden doesn't have a plan so he is the most likely to beat Trump. Because Americans don't like plans.

My plan is to watch and see what happens. I'm convinced now that Democrats are the devil so I will no longer be voting at all.
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#317262 - 10/25/19 05:51 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: Greger]
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I'm with Warren. I'll be backing Bernies plan by supporting Sanders.

From her 'Plans' website:

"Elizabeth supports Medicare for All, which would provide all Americans with a public health care program. Medicare for All is the best way to give every single person in this country a guarantee of high-quality health care. Everybody is covered. Nobody goes broke because of a medical bill. No more fighting with insurance companies...

...Medicare for All solves these problems. Everyone can see the doctor they need. Nobody goes broke. And your doctor gets paid by Medicare instead of fighting with an insurance company.

Every American should be able to get the care they need when they need it. This is a goal worth fighting for, and Elizabeth is in this fight all the way. That's why Elizabeth will fight for Medicare for All."

Why get the Republican knock off when I have the option for the real thing. Sanders has been unwavering in progressive goals. Warren's history...not so much. Until recently, that is.

Her daughter, CEO of a for profit health insurance company, bribing WFP leadership for endorsement last month over the rank and file vote (which the leadership will not disclose vote totals from) between her and Sanders, is ominous and smells of Clinton corruption. Clinton's are poison for the Left.

No, I don't trust Warren to not back slide. That's just me


Edited by chunkstyle (10/25/19 05:56 PM)

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