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#317634 - 11/01/19 01:04 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Adding a public option and fixing the problems in ACA could be done in the first few months of the next administration. The risk pool argument is silly:

Calling something silly as a way to avoid thinking about it is... what? Best to not go there.

My purpose for bringing up risk pools was not as an argument for or against anything. It is a fundamental reality in any insurance concept.

Remember the individual mandate? What was the purpose of that? Right, to make the pool of contributions large enough to contain sufficient funding to function. Accomplishing that is still a problem for any open choice plan. How do we navigate around it?
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#317635 - 11/01/19 01:27 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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The risk pool is what makes the whole thing work. "For profit" insurance companies game the system to rig the risk pools for more profit. Any form of national health service needs to get everyone into the system for the best results.
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#317637 - 11/01/19 02:26 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: Greger]
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That's it.

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#317638 - 11/01/19 02:33 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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Bargaining power and better allocation of capitol and resources also comes to mind.

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#317639 - 11/01/19 02:57 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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This, by the way, has been argued at the state level here in NY.

Pricing, co-pays, costs of treatments, etc... were done between the state and the province of Ontario, Canada (where Sanders went with a group to buy Insulin to highlight the criminal disparity of drug pricing). NY state and Ontario, Canada are very well suited for comparison. Both have similar populations of old/young, urban/rural, geographic size, ethnicity, etc.
The study was conducted by Amherst College. The results were very encouraging.
My district's Bill Representative is an accountant doing books for small business owners. She can explain it to them that makes good economic sense and all her clients have signed on. She knows the reality of 'going into the market' every year for themselves and their employees. If they are able to provide any insurance at all. This plan makes sense to them and it hews to the MFA plan.
That bill representative is a republican, by the way and was running for state office over this bill in 2018. She had bi-partisan support and, sadly, had to cancel her run due to a family tragedy.

The ACA is a Rube Goldberg contraption of contested coverage co-pays, price gouging variables of treatment with shape shifting price points that everyone enjoys every year like gutter cleaning and taxes.

I wouldn't disagree that it help grease the skids for peoples acceptance of a universal health care system I disagree that we have to prolong the ACA that, if anyone cares to look into it, had been written by industry and not much public input at all. The record on pricing and outcomes, over the last decade, is in. Why would you want to hang on to the decade of results that are in is hard to understand, but I'm repeating myself.


Edited by chunkstyle (11/01/19 03:03 PM)

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#317643 - 11/01/19 06:11 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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Hey look,

there having the same argument at the same time. At least Bernie's got everyone talking. Looking at you NWP. confused


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#317645 - 11/01/19 06:31 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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O.K.,

Warren's released her funding plan. See y'all on the other side of it.

Warrens funding announced

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#317646 - 11/01/19 06:49 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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"Lack of health insurance will kill some of those 27 million people, and somehow that fact always gets lost in the discussion amid an endless focus on budget projections and on a deficit that we seem to be willing to expand for everything other than getting people access to a doctor.

Think about that the next time someone insists the mainstream media is full of leftists."



Hell, think of that the next time someone tells you the Democratic party represents the Left.

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#317652 - 11/01/19 11:50 PM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
"Lack of health insurance will kill some of those 27 million people, and somehow that fact always gets lost in the discussion amid an endless focus on budget projections and on a deficit that we seem to be willing to expand for everything other than getting people access to a doctor.

Think about that the next time someone insists the mainstream media is full of leftists."

Hell, think of that the next time someone tells you the Democratic party represents the Left.

On the other hand, human population is out of control, and is a second major existential problem. However, I don't think access to healthcare is a proper population control strategy.

Maybe a test of consideration for the environment and other creatures should be what determines who gets to become Soylent Green, and who doesn't? That could be done with a basic wealth threshold - if you can't bring yourself to share your wealth, then you get composted.
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#317655 - 11/02/19 12:03 AM Re: Public option vs Medicare for All [Re: logtroll]
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Only if the composting is carbon neutral.

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