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#317720 - 11/03/19 07:49 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: Greger]
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That would only take care of 1 trillion dollars of debt. The Republicans are working, very hard, to make sure they add a trillion for every year they hold office.

Its really time that the Dems start to talk about their long history of fixing Republican debt as well as their own fiscal responsibility.

Right now the Republicans paint the Dems as irresponsible tax and spend Democrats and that's another one that has stuck because the Dems just can't take the time out of important stuff to point out the simple facts of party fiscal responsibility for one and a complete lack of responsibility in regards to the other.

Just saying.................

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#317726 - 11/04/19 12:42 AM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: pdx rick]
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Democrats need good messaging and to all be on the same page - but doing so would be like corralling cats. The reason why rightwingers are so good at it is because they like being in lockstep and being told what to do and what to say.

Hmm
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#317769 - 11/05/19 08:22 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: pdx rick]
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I just find it odd. The Dems, in their infinite wisdom, seem to be more interested in purging their own in the interest of purity, go after each other for whatever, etc. The problem is that this kind of behavior is not smart and can lose them 2020. They seem to forget who the enemy actually is. I would love to see one of the candidates, besides Biden, to after Trump and the Republicans instead of each other, with some regularity. I suspect they do more of that when actually speaking but, on tv, not so much.

The problem with all of this is that nobody really knows where the Democrats stand on all sorts of things. What they do know is that they are socialists, love to fight with one another, make promises they cannot possibly keep (Warren does this one in Spades, ie free higher education, free baby sitting (lots of 'free' stuff), paid leave when baby comes - both parents, 30 trillion dollar healthcare, etc ), and make absolutely sure that nobody has a clue as to where they really stand.

Actually Warren is, I think, an expert on things economic. One would think that the simple fact she will inherit a Republican national debt of over 23 TRILLION dollars one would think that she might, occasionally, point out the REPUBLICAN National Debt, and what it means (which is not good). For instance, when Dems talk about the debt they should say; "Republican National Debt". When they talk about healthcare they should say "For-Profit Healthcare", etc. The Republicans would not make these kinds of mistakes. The Republicans are wide open to this kind of thing but the Dems, again in their infinite wisdom, just cannot seem to bring themselves to behave in such a bad way.

However, all that being said, between Bernie and Warren they have pretty much turned off the entire middle ground and a lot of that group tends towards Democrats, as long as they are not socialists or giving away the store (which both do). I am not convinced that they can actually beat Trump unless the economy tanks (there are a number of polls that agree). I would feel a lot better about those two if they actually took time out from promising everything to going after Trump and the Republicans.

Then there is Biden. I have listened to him speak. I am not convinced he knows what day it is. There are reports they have him pretty much in a bubble and it shows. Bernie is too old and so is Biden.

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#320124 - 01/18/20 02:50 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: pdx rick]
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The Trump administration reported a river of red ink Friday.

The federal deficit for the 2019 budget year surged 26% from 2018 to $984.4 billion — its highest point in seven years. The gap is widely expected to top $1 trillion in the current budget year and likely remain there for the next decade.

The year-over-year widening in the deficit reflected such factors as revenue lost from the 2017 Trump tax cut and a budget deal that added billions in spending for military and domestic programs.


I always find it interesting when revenues go up and they claim that revenues have been lost.

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Weird that conservatives no longer care about the deficit. Or, perhaps they only care when there is a Black American President. coffee

That case seems more likely. Hmm


No, the more likely case is that - like the left - the right has generally descended from ideology into tribalism. The color of a president matters much less than his party.


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#320127 - 01/18/20 03:26 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: CPWILL]
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...The color of a president matters much less than his party.

TBagger depictions of Obama in African witch doctor garb tells us what's really the truth. smile
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#320129 - 01/18/20 03:39 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: pdx rick]
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Total cost of the 2017 Republican tax cuts for corporations and billionaires: $1.9 trillion

America has socialism for the rich, harsh capitalism for everyone else. Hmm
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#320131 - 01/18/20 05:59 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: CPWILL]
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I always find it interesting when revenues go up and they claim that revenues have been lost.

Are you saying that the tax reduction was not lost revenue?
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#320155 - 01/19/20 03:48 AM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: pdx rick]
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...The color of a president matters much less than his party.

TBagger depictions of Obama in African witch doctor garb tells us what's really the truth. smile


There is probably somewhere a conservative who finds nut-picking a convincing argument, but, I assure you, that conservative is not me.

Republicans were fired-up behind cutting the government when Carter was President and ran the Reagan Revolution to do so.... and then Reagan got in, and increased government spending instead, and Republicans loved him. Republicans were fired up behind cutting the government when Clinton was President, and had the Contract with America and everything... and then, W Bush became President, and increased spending, and Republicans generally liked him. Republicans were fired up behind cutting the government when Obama was President, and had the Tea Party and then... well, then Trump became President, and dramatically increased spending, and some Republicans loved him, some loathed him, and many started off loathing him and came to like him because he was Their Guy.

It's not the Race, it's the Tribe. Republicans have significant overlap with Conservatives and are willing to get on board with cutting government..... but not at the expense of political capital or betrayal of the Tribe.

It's additionally worth noting, since we are here, that the "Everything Is Racism" tendency on the left makes - no doubt - for a comforting attack (after all, it definitely means that those icky Others are the Baddies, making us the Good Guys. Darn Icky Others), but it also destroys the value of the charge. Donald Trump was immune to charges of racism and fascism (both true to different degrees) within the GOP primary mostly because the Left had cried wolf on that for decades, and so the accusation was instead interpreted as "They Are Afraid Of Him". Conservatives, by and large, have pulled off a similar trick with "Socialism".

So,.... if you like Trump, keep doing what got you Trump. If you don't like Trump, maybe think about changing things up a bit wink







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#320156 - 01/19/20 03:52 AM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: logtroll]
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I always find it interesting when revenues go up and they claim that revenues have been lost.

Are you saying that the tax reduction was not lost revenue?


(shrug) the Pro-Growth impacts of a predictable regulatory regime and reduced tax burdens are real. Revenues have gone up.

Unfortunately, spending has gone up significantly faster. We don't have a Revenue problem in this country; we have a Spending problem.
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#320161 - 01/19/20 05:12 AM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: CPWILL]
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Are you saying that the tax reduction was not lost revenue?

(shrug) the Pro-Growth impacts of a predictable regulatory regime and reduced tax burdens are real. Revenues have gone up.

The simple fact that revenues would have been higher without the tax cuts is real.

Do you think that it would have had an impact on the deficit if the tax cuts had not been enacted?

Do you believe that growth resulting from more debt is a good thing? Is it even really growth?
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