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#317620 - 11/01/19 04:48 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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All California counties have housing shortages. Not so much because of immigration as because residents of the state keep on having kids. Those kids grow up, get jobs, start families, and want a place to live other than their childhood bedrooms. Want less urban sprawl? Support Planned Parenthood.

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#317628 - 11/01/19 11:43 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I disagree that liberals are worried about dwindling farm land. Yes, their all into what you mentioned. Which if fine as I side with them on those issues. But being pro-choice has nothing to do with building more subdivisions and shopping malls, the like turning once bountiful farmland's into concrete and asphalt.

Yes, modern equipment, hybrid seed, has increased the amount of food per acre by ten or more fold. The use of insecticides and other disease inhibiting sprays has also helped increase the yield. But at some point in time, we'll reach the the max or some disease or insect will become immune to the above and wreck havoc. Mother Nature can also play havoc.

Regardless of political ideology, political party, this planet of our can only support so many people. Can Soylent Green be that far around the corner? Perhaps China had the right idea, limit each family to one child. Drastic, yes. Workable, no.

Humans I believe are paving their way to their own destruction be that eradicating farmland, sooner or later there will be a nuclear, chemical or biological war, or perhaps something natural will occur. Asteroid, Super Volcano, pandemic, something else.
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#317629 - 11/01/19 11:48 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: perotista]
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Are you saying real estate development interests should be curtailed?

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#317647 - 11/01/19 10:14 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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All I'm saying is that there is just so much farmland. The human population is booming, farmland is shrinking. Someday those lines will cross.
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#317650 - 11/01/19 11:45 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: perotista]
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Originally Posted By: perotista
All I'm saying is that there is just so much farmland. The human population is booming, farmland is shrinking. Someday those lines will cross.

Farmland is also losing its fecundity and resilience. All of those modern productivity enhancements are turning out to be more cancers on the environment. Something like 50% of atmospheric CO2 loading has come from maltreatment of the soil.

It should be a major concern.
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#317656 - 11/02/19 12:06 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: perotista]
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Well, lucky for us, global climate change is set to wipe out at least half the population and send the rest back to the stone age, or perhaps a sort of dystopian garbage age where primitive tools are hammered from rusting old automobile frames.

Y'know the sky's the limit if you decide the future is going to be ugly.

The future is not going to be like the past. It's not going to be like the present either. But it's going to be okay. Because a lot of smart, motivated people are going to make it okay.
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#317658 - 11/02/19 12:12 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: logtroll]
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WORD!

The carbon that is being released into the atmosphere thru industrial farming is not talked about nearly enough. Can’t remember where I read it but the carbon content of the Midwest soil is being depleted. Scary stuff as I recall.

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#317661 - 11/02/19 04:47 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Beto is out. He'd be smart to run for Senate even though he says he won't. smile
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#317662 - 11/02/19 11:04 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Beto is out. He'd be smart to run for Senate even though he says he won't. smile

I would have never voted for him anyway. But he was in second place in Texas which has their primary on super Tuesday. It was Biden 26.8, O'Rourke 16.5 with Warren and Sanders in 3rd and 4th.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/tx/texas_democratic_primary-6875.html

The question becomes is which candidate will be able to pull in the most O'Rourke supporters? As for the senate, Cornyn isn't Cruz, he's more popular. Trump has a 50% approval rating in Texas, 45% disapprove so O'Rourke probably couldn't ride the anti-Trump vote to a win against Cornyn who is much more liked by Texan's as a whole than Cruz was. My opinion at this time anyway.
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#317670 - 11/02/19 03:15 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: perotista]
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O'Rourke probably couldn't ride the anti-Trump vote to a win against Cornyn


Spot on.
I had early hopes for O'Rourke as the centrist candidate between Biden and Bernie. It didn't pan out as he was never able to capitalize on his earlier success in Texas. He has since taken all sorts of radical positions in an effort to catch the eyes of progressives, none of which would be popular if he ran against Cornyn.
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