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#319244 - 12/23/19 05:31 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I don't recall the Democratic party campaign committees outlawing incumbent challenge in the primaries.

Don't like your representative? Suck it.

It's a club now.

Want to mount a challenge? Good luck getting staff. Shoulda went to the right schools loser!


Edited by chunkstyle (12/23/19 05:32 PM)

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#319249 - 12/23/19 09:59 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Greger]
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The problem is relying on the voters. I have always belied that if you are going to run as a Democrat you stick to the middle to get the job then have at it. Unfortunately I suspect that this may not work any better but, at least, you are more assured of winning (unless you are fortunate to run in a really leftist area which is often not all that easy to determine.

Basically, the middle has always been a better place to be. This makes sense, particularly when running as a democrat as much of the middle votes there too.

Betting on the mythic American voting public has, pretty much, always been a loser (unless the Republics have REALLY screwed up the economy). Trump may have done that with the nation debt which is a real medal winner. I think, by the time he is done he will have contributed OVER a trillion dollars a year whilst reducing any security net stuff he was able to identify.

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#319258 - 12/24/19 02:05 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
The problem is relying on the voters. I have always belied that if you are going to run as a Democrat you stick to the middle to get the job then have at it...

Basically, the middle has always been a better place to be. This makes sense, particularly when running as a democrat as much of the middle votes there too.

Betting on the mythic American voting public has, pretty much, always been a loser (unless the Republics have REALLY screwed up the economy)....


Ah yes, the mythical middle. Wiser words have hardly been typed. I remember the crushing victories when Kerry reported for duty and Hillary ran, and won twice, by appealing to white suburban Republicans.
How Foolish Obama looked with his stunning defeat, voters having repudiated his radically progressive sounding platform of 2008.

I agree JGW. Voters suck.

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#319274 - 12/24/19 07:13 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Which Obama defeat are you referencing. There were a LOT of those after the Republicans took over the congress. They stopped the majority of legislation from Obama just as they said they would do when he got elected.

I am really not sure how this has a whole lot to do with Obama, however. What it really demonstrated was that the Republicans have a really great plan of doing nothing which has come to full fruit with the Republican Senate.

In any case I am certainly happy that you are pleased with the Republican lack of any legislation which might help the poor, young, and needy. Always an inspiration!

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#319276 - 12/24/19 09:54 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: jgw]
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the Republicans have a really great plan of doing nothing which has come to full fruit with the Republican Senate.


Doing nothing? You somehow imagine that Republicans are doing nothing? Do you have any idea how many judges Trump has appointed and the senate has confirmed? The Trump Tax cuts are nothing? Have you glanced at how that effects the deficit and the national debt? Perhaps you've noticed the erosion of democracy? All this isn't happening because Republicans have done "nothing". While they have certainly done nothing to promote the general welfare they've been very busy doing reprehensible things. And Democrats really haven't fought back that hard because rich Democrats make money on those reprehensible things too.
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#319277 - 12/24/19 11:07 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Democrats did not fight simply because they did not have the votes. What did you want them to do, bring guns to the Republican House and bump off a few Republicans? As soon as they did get a majority in 2018, they started passing all sorts of bills that the Senate has ignored. Congressional Democrats have always done what they could. But if you want them to be effective, the voters need to give them seats.

Evidently, in 2016 voters wanted to cripple them, and this is what they get. Blaming the Democrats in Congress is rather silly.

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#319305 - 12/26/19 12:30 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw


I am really not sure how this has a whole lot to do with Obama, however. What it really demonstrated was that the Republicans have a really great plan of doing nothing which has come to full fruit with the Republican Senate.



It had to do with your opinion that democratic elections are won from the middle. As you put it:

‘Basically, the middle has always been a better place to be. This makes sense, particularly when running as a democrat as much of the middle votes there too.’

Kerry, Gore and Clinton ran as center right candidates and lost. Obama ran a progressive left sounding campaign, got out the Yutes in 2008 and won handsomely.

Your confusing your opinions with observable reality.

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#319306 - 12/26/19 12:32 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw

In any case I am certainly happy that you are pleased with the Republican lack of any legislation which might help the poor, young, and needy. Always an inspiration!


Hey kids, look over on the right... gaslighting!

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#319310 - 12/26/19 02:52 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger

Doing nothing? You somehow imagine that Republicans are doing nothing? Do you have any idea how many judges Trump has appointed and the senate has confirmed?


This. Right here.
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#319315 - 12/26/19 07:43 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all


Evidently, in 2016 voters wanted to cripple them, and this is what they get. Blaming the Democrats in Congress is rather silly.


Lazy apathetic Dem voters and pissed off Dems who stayed home and sulked is what got us the TRIFECTA. And Trump, of course.
But the TRIFECTA was mostly the result of people just not even bothering to vote at all.
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