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#317756 - 11/05/19 02:37 PM Revenge of the Human Scum
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There they are, deep in the wilderness. It might be hard for you to see them. After all they barely exist in the wild. They have gone nearly extinct. If you can’t spot them, you might be able to hear their labored breathing, seeing as they are simultaneously gasping for air and on a respirator powered only by their unyielding belief in norms.

It is the much maligned anti-Trump Republicans, expelled from the herd, lurking in the bush, waiting for the moment when they will determine the next president of the United States.

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So maybe anti-Trump Republicans are going to decide the 2020 election . . .?

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#317784 - 11/06/19 05:10 AM Re: Revenge of the Human Scum [Re: pdx rick]
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I suspect we are seeing the anti-woman poll responses of women: Solidarity is still in short supply among women. Some still see other women primarily as competition, or as incompetent. Qualities people admire in men, they dislike in women.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it is. We would probably be a lot better off with women running the government.

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#317832 - 11/08/19 10:08 PM Re: Revenge of the Human Scum [Re: pdx rick]
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I fear 2020, I fear if Dems actually run a self claimed Socialist, or a female candidate claiming to be a Capitalist whilst embracing any and all items on the socialist wish list, run under the Democratic banner, whilst the economy holds we will get another 4 years of Trump. Doesn't matter what I, or anybody else thinks, this is just how the voting will go. If, however, the economy either starts to collapse or does THEN we will still have a chance.

The problem is pretty simple. Americans are dedicated to perception and NOT fact. There is a perception that anything 'socialist' is anathema, pure and simple. I think we have already addressed that one. I know, there are some who will not accept that simple fact, I, yet again, wish I was wrong but this one seems a simple fact.

The socialist thing a known deal - I do not understand why folks can't accept it, stay away from the Socialist stuff, get elected, and THEN have at it! Instead there are those that have decided that Socialist stuff is the way to go and just keep on adding fuel to the Republican cause.

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#317835 - 11/09/19 12:51 AM Re: Revenge of the Human Scum [Re: pdx rick]
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Unless he screws up royally, Biden has it wrapped up. He's not going to run on any socialist platform. He just has to run on "non-criminal" and "non-traitor" and he beats Trump. If he wants to bring in all the Progressives, he should ask Warren to be his VP. A female VP won't scare anybody away.

If he gets a Democratic Congress, there is no end to Trump screw-ups he can fix. I think that could be a useful lesson for Republicans: When you get power, don't overreach because anything you do unilaterally will just be undone the next time you lose power.

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#317839 - 11/09/19 04:24 AM Re: Revenge of the Human Scum [Re: pdx rick]
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Or it may not matter who runs. I have always said the American electorate is as dumb as a box of rocks. Will they prove me true again?

Maybe these people just want a dictator as dumb as they are and will tolerate just about anyone who wants to destroys America all in the name of personal greed and narcissism.

And maybe we deserve 4 more years of Mr Trump. Would it be the wake up call or the death knell?
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#317852 - 11/09/19 04:27 PM Re: Revenge of the Human Scum [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
I fear 2020, I fear if Dems actually run a self claimed Socialist, or a female candidate claiming to be a Capitalist whilst embracing any and all items on the socialist wish list...

...which is exactly why Bloomberg is preparing to enter...erm, buy into the 2020 primary race. Hmm
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#317862 - 11/09/19 08:29 PM Re: Revenge of the Human Scum [Re: pdx rick]
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So, there does seem a segment of the Democratic left that seems to believe that if you got the bucks you are a criminal and unwanted, on the left, who apparently are going to solve the problem by taxing the wealthy to pauper status. I suspect their various plans are actually unconstitutional but in the fullness of time..........

As far as I can tell the current likely winners, except for Biden, are unlikely to be able to beat Trump. They just keep forgetting that there are a LOT of folks currently working that were not previous to the Trump Administration. I don't, personally, think this has a lot to do with Trump but its the American way, the president gets to claim responsibility for things like jobs - its simply the way it is. This also means that if the president isn't there anymore than neither are their jobs. This may not be all that logical but its a simple fact. Remember, PERCEPTION and NOT fact is the American way. Again, this is the way it is. The problem is that the Dems don't understand this and do not address perception at all - the other side, however, are absolute believers in perception over reality.

The American perception of 'socialists' is just not good. I was going to say that the history of socialist countries was not good but that is not exactly true. The problem is pretty simple. Social endeavor is a moving target in America when trying to describe it. My own thought is that socialism takes place when taxpayer money is used run services for the entire community. This is, probably, wrong in that services currently being supplied, by government, and not considered socialist are things like public schools, public hospitals, police and fire departments, etc. There are small politial groups that do consider that stuff to be 'socialistic', but, I think, not by the general populace. American perception of socialism is pretty simple. Government takes over EVERYTHING and then tells the citizens what they can, and cannot do, to conform to their efforts on THEIR behalf. This is what Communism is about and everything else 'socialist' is in the same basket.

Our problem is that, as a nation, we just don't get it and what the self proclaimed 'socialists' of the democratic party are claiming they want to do is kinda edging into what the nation believes to be Communist and Socialist leaning and on that slippery slope. This will threaten jobs! This gives too much power to the state! It threatens us! Unfortunately this is how America perceives this stuff and they are not going to vote for it. Its unfortunate, but true, that means that, unless there is a serious economic downturn, the current crop of self proclaimed socialists can also not beat Trump.

Biden might be able to beat Trump, some of the outlyers might also be able to Buttegeg (probably spelled wrong) or Senator Klobuchar, or Steyer might be able to. Bloomberg can also probably beat Trump. Bloomberg is another Democrat that has the big bucks and may actually run. He is running because he want Trump gone, pure and simple. The same is true with Steyer who also has the big bucks. These two are really offensive to the pure block of Democratic Socialists and that is a shame. I think what is really happening is that these guys are trying to tell the Dems that if they don't clean up their act, stop the purity thing, and pay attention to business instead of pie in the sky promises, unlikely to pass even a completely Democratic congress, they are going to gift us all with another 4 years of the Trump criminal enterprise administration as well as a completely packed judicial system, the complete destruction of our public school system and national parks, and environmental disaster.

Its going to be an interesting run up to 2020. I sincerely want, and hope, that Trump gets unelected. Since the current Democratic party has not convinced me they really want to win it looks as if Trump has to get himself unelected (with some help from a variety of prosecutors). So far he has done pretty good in this regard, I sincerely hope its gonna be enough. If Steyer or Bloomberg actually run as Democrats we will be treated to the spectacle of the Democrats doing everything in their power to make sure neither wins.

I wish us all good luck............

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#317865 - 11/10/19 12:07 AM Re: Revenge of the Human Scum [Re: jgw]
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You've really fallen for the right wing fear mongering haven't you?

There are no socialists running for the democratic nomination. No one has any socialist plans or schemes. Social democracy is not socialism, is not in any way related to socialism, and will not lead to socialism.

Government subsidized healthcare is not socialism. A wealth tax is not socialism. Subsidized college education is not socialism. A living wage is not socialism. Regulating industry is not socialism. Separation of church and state is not socialism. Lot's of things are not socialism and none of the things any of the candidates are proposing are socialism.

This isn't worth going over again.
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#317877 - 11/10/19 08:31 PM Re: Revenge of the Human Scum [Re: Greger]
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Perhaps. Still worth a thought. I consider Bernie exactly what he says - a socialist. I also believe that Warren is a socialist based on many of her "plans". Any services, provided by government are, by definition, "socialist" as far as I am concerned. This includes Libraries, public schools, police and fire departments, etc. The problem, again, is in the word "socialist". The inference is that gov takes over certain things and pays for those things with taxes. I think these are, for the most part, good and, basically, thought of as things gov should be doing. The problem is that nobody ever took the time to define until 'socialist' was completely maligned and demonized. So, most folks don't give it much thought and these are things gov does that are necessary. The problem is that gov is under constant attack for just about everything and now its at fever pitch so there are groups of citizens that are running scared about anything gov might do. It just doesn't matter whether you are talking about "social democracy" or "socialism" the perception is that they are the same thing and really, really, bad for everybody.

I have never, incidentally, said a wealth tax, subsidized college or a living wage is socialism are even vaguely socialist. Regulation is how gov controls stuff going on. It regulates things like schools, police, firemen, libraries, our armies, etc. Its what its there for. The problem is simple, sometimes gov goes too far or not far enough. The reasons are multiple and the solution is that our legislators are supposed to make the rules and understand what the hell they are doing. Currently gov is a joke and our dear leader has been making assaults on gov and regulation. He has, for instance, actually reduced the standards for drinking water thereby putting some at risk. This was done months ago and maybe was mentioned a couple of times and then we all moved on. This is happening all the time.

Oh, I am flat out for separation of church and state including taxing ALL church property. I would even go one step further on taxes. I believe that taxes need to be standardized and that ALL income taxes are taxed at, exactly the same rate regardless of source. Income is income. No deals.

You are right, this is probably a waste of time and done, over, and over, and over. We are in agreement........

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#317881 - 11/10/19 09:41 PM Re: Revenge of the Human Scum [Re: pdx rick]
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The problem is really that most unaffiliated voters are not politically savvy to even recognize that every service the government offers us is inherently a socialist idea. That's where all sorts of good things like the 40 hour work week, paid sick leave, social security, etc. came from. If you look at the historical data, before each of these programs came to be, they were part of the Socialist Party platform. And they had people in the streets with signs, fighting company goons or police, even dying for the struggle.

But on the other hand, we have had a well-financed right wing claiming socialism in general is bad for everybody for many decades. By now, a substantial number of people believe that government can't do anything well and "is the problem". Of course, for many problems there is no other feasible solution but government regulation. You take away the regulations and the problem gets MUCH worse.

With all this propaganda affecting all the unaffiliated voters, it is insane to run as a socialist, or even a "social democrat" or "democratic socialist". Democrats may vote for you, but you need half the 33% of unaffiliated voters to win. If you want to add government services, run as a Democrat and when you win, add those services!

And no, I am not against socialist programs like free tuition, universal healthcare, etc. I'm just a realist and think you can do a lot more as a winner than as a loser.

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