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#317781 - 11/06/19 04:58 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I think Comey and Mueller both are honorable and ethical men who also are life-long Republicans. Their political affiliation may be different than mine, but they both served the US for a very long time, and they both got the shitty end of the stick at the end of their government service careers. Trump's main problem with them is not their Party affiliation, but the fact that they tried to do the right thing. I think they will wind up the heroes of this story, when it's over. And "Trump Supporter" will be a label Republican politicians will run from for decades.

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#318020 - 11/17/19 07:30 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Very bad sign for Trump reelection:

Even after three campaign rallies, millions of dollars in ad money, and visits from Trump, Donald Trump Jr. and Pence, the Democratic Governor of Louisiana has won reelection. His Republican opponent made the election all about his support for and support from Trump. His initial ads did't even have his own picture in them! Just Trump, Trump, Trump.

And he lost, lost, lost. Trump won Louisiana by 20% in 2016.

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#318060 - 11/19/19 01:25 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Very bad sign for the Biden campaign...he has finally taken a stand on something! Drawn a line in the sand that he will not cross.

He will see to it that cannabis remains illegal! Because it might be a gateway drug, there's not enough research...
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#318062 - 11/19/19 01:50 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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So, every cannabis user should send him a message. Especially all the medical users. Nothing makes you change your platform like a call from AARP.

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#318067 - 11/19/19 12:37 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Here's an interesting article from Gallup that was in my inbox this AM.

"Democrats Thinking Strategically About 2020 Nominee Choice"

https://news.gallup.com/poll/268448/demo...ign=syndication

It'd be interesting to find out what you all think about it.
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#318069 - 11/19/19 01:28 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: perotista]
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Originally Posted By: perotista
Here's an interesting article from Gallup that was in my inbox this AM.

"Democrats Thinking Strategically About 2020 Nominee Choice"

https://news.gallup.com/poll/268448/demo...ign=syndication

It'd be interesting to find out what you all think about it.
It would be interesting to break those results down by State. My bet is that this explains the results in Kentucky and Louisiana this week in the Governor's races, and probably Trump's success in 2016.

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#318072 - 11/19/19 01:46 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: perotista]
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I haven't the slightest idea who Comey supported. I know Comey became a Democratic Party hero when he exonerated or at least refused to charge Hillary over her E-Mails. Then The Republicans wanted him fired.

Then a couple of weeks prior to the election, Comey reopened the investigation. Now he was a Republican Hero with the Democrats wanting him fired.

Finally when Trump fired Comey, he went back to being a Democratic Party hero. Go figure. Or perhaps I should say that is politics as usual.
I think you've horribly misinterpreted this process. Here's my take: Comey is a principled, conservative, ambitious, lifelong government servant who did a really, really stupid thing. And he did it in violation of DoJ rules for what he thought we're good reasons. When he had the first press conference, he had good intentions of protecting his institution (and himself) from criticism, but it was wrong - it interjected his personal conclusions into the public sphere over the interests of the institution. When he made the October announcement, he compounded the error exponentially. He f'd up, big time and gifted is the worst President ever.

In short, he was no one's "hero", but was "useful" in different ways, for different purposes for each party's interests. Then, in typical Trump fashion, he was shat upon for the most unprincipled reason possible, obviating all of that utility.

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#318074 - 11/19/19 02:05 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I think you could break it down to the northeast and west coast wanting someone more liberal/progressive while most of the rest of the nation want a more moderate candidate.

Looking at the regional breakdown by a YouGov poll shows the democrats of the Northeast prefer Warren over Biden 37-19 and in the west 26-16. The midwest and south prefer Biden. Question 45

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/7umtlf80ov/econTabReport.pdf

Regardless of who the Democrats nominate is, we already know the northeast and west coast is going very heavily Democratic. Adding Illinois that 218 electoral votes in states that the Democratic candidate will win by 15 million plus popular aggregated votes.

It's the Midwest where you have your battleground states, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa. It's the midwest that prefers Biden. You can add North Carolina, Georgia and Florida in the south's battleground states that also prefer Biden.

We know regardless of who is the democratic nominee, Biden, Warren, Sanders, Gaylord Cumquat from the neither regions are guaranteed those 218 safe/solid Democratic states. What we don't know is who has the best chance in winning states from the Midwest and South.The battleground states.

This is a problem for the Democrats to figure out.
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#318081 - 11/19/19 08:50 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: perotista]
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This is a problem for the Democrats to figure out.


Before the election rolls around Democrats are going to figure out that whomever they nominate will beat Trump. They don't need to be conservative to win. They don't need to nominate the smelly old empty suit who wants to keep weed illegal. 76% of Democrats are in favor of legalization...Biden is not.

In fact, 76% of Democrats would rather have someone else as president. He may get the nomination anyway. Despite his being generally unable to remember where he is at any given time or what he was talking about. He's pretty sure weed is bad stuff though.

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Gaylord Cumquat from the nether regions


You mean Mayor Pete? The queer candidate? He'll gas before the third round, or in horse race terms he'll fade...But you really just can't help liking the guy. I'm sort of rooting for him even though he'll totally feck up my carefully planned predictions. If his surge to the front in Iowa tells us anything, it's that he's the man for middle America.

He won't interfere much with my overall agenda though. If I can't have a progressive candidate running against Trump I'll settle for a centrist Millenial.
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#318082 - 11/19/19 10:33 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
This is a problem for the Democrats to figure out.


Before the election rolls around Democrats are going to figure out that whomever they nominate will beat Trump. They don't need to be conservative to win. They don't need to nominate the smelly old empty suit who wants to keep weed illegal. 76% of Democrats are in favor of legalization...Biden is not.

In fact, 76% of Democrats would rather have someone else as president. He may get the nomination anyway. Despite his being generally unable to remember where he is at any given time or what he was talking about. He's pretty sure weed is bad stuff though.

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Gaylord Cumquat from the nether regions


You mean Mayor Pete? The queer candidate? He'll gas before the third round, or in horse race terms he'll fade...But you really just can't help liking the guy. I'm sort of rooting for him even though he'll totally feck up my carefully planned predictions. If his surge to the front in Iowa tells us anything, it's that he's the man for middle America.

He won't interfere much with my overall agenda though. If I can't have a progressive candidate running against Trump I'll settle for a centrist Millenial.

No I didn't mean Mayor Pete. I could have used Joe Blow or Smith or anyone. I'm kind of liking Mayor Pete compared to the rest. Of course I've decided my candidate is Tom Steyer. If he's still around come Georgia primary time, I'll vote for him. Klobuchar, Gabbard along with Buttigieg all interest me as second choices. Not some tired old folks from the northeast. We already have one of those as president.

Now we'll see, independents, the less to non-partisan's can be finicky and quirky. Now I know you're not worried about them. But then again, neither was Hillary.
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