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#318129 - 11/21/19 09:53 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: rporter314]
jgw Offline
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Registered: 05/22/06
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Well, all Trump wanted was a notification, by the president of Ukraine that he was going to investigate Biden so the threat of Bolton testifying my also do the job?

The whole thing is based on few facts as the attack on Biden was going to be. I wonder, however, if this stuff actually gets to the senate, and they have a trial judged by the Chief Judge of the Supreme Court, then does this mean that judge can also order testimony from the top tier of the Trump criminal organization?

Oh, I also note that the Dems are now putting hope into the fact that the Supremes are going to hear the suit against the Trump attorney. I think they are hoping for a wider judgment than just deciding whether McGahn must give testimony. there are also a few other law suits in the works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits_involving_Donald_Trump
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a9962852/lawsuits-against-donald-trump/
https://ballotpedia.org/Multistate_lawsuits_against_the_federal_government,_2017-2020

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/13/us/politics/trump-house-lawsuits.html

The above is just a small portion of law suits making their way through the system. Most will probably win but that will also probably happen a LONG time from now and will end up moot.





Edited by jgw (11/21/19 09:54 PM)

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#318131 - 11/21/19 10:38 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
Hamish Howl Offline
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Registered: 11/21/19
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I don't think the senate will convict. He is doing business The American Way™, and having him ousted would cause a financial impact on the people that own the senators.
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#318134 - 11/21/19 10:51 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: NW Ponderer]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
A thought struck me today. As has been mentioned, some of us participate on other forums in addition to the Rant. My observation is that analysis on this site, by nearly every poster, is far more in-depth than on other sites. Part of that, I think, is the result of our enforced politeness. But, more significantly, I think we Ranters just cogitate more. We also hold each other to a higher standard - we don't put up with one-liners and genetic put downs, and demand sources. As a result, I think, the dreck-to-thoughtful ratio is pretty low.


Plus, it's pretty obvious that we are in many ways a great big happy and slightly dysfunctional family, but a family to be sure.
And I want to find more of our "lost family members" wherever they may be. We all are at the point where each of us recognizes a quality debater when we see one. Those folks are our "family".

The enforced politeness? It's clear that among us, there really isn't much need for more than a private message to advise someone.
Everyone here is smart enough to understand.
So, we're just a family.
And by the way, let me make clear just how much I care about each and every one of you.

All of you are a part of what makes up "the glue of my life".
Thank you for being you.
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#318135 - 11/21/19 10:55 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: rporter314]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: rporter314
A thought just crossed my 3-cylinder brain. I wonder if Adv Bolton were to announce, just announce, he would testify. Does he have enough information to convict a number of people and if so could that lead to Mr Trump resigning???


I never thought I would ever appreciate John Bolton, but as Fiona Hill just said: "Here we are."

But I'd appreciate him a lot more if he would stop standing on ceremony. He seldom does that when he thinks something will benefit him.
I don't think he sees any benefit from helping the Democrats impeach President Trump. Perhaps he still thinks all of this can somehow "be managed enough" to take the Republicans to another victory?

Does he still think Trump will do something for him?
Kinda difficult to imagine the President doing anything but throw him under the bus, even if he doesn't testify.
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#318142 - 11/21/19 11:53 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Hamish Howl Offline
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Registered: 11/21/19
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: rporter314
A thought just crossed my 3-cylinder brain. I wonder if Adv Bolton were to announce, just announce, he would testify. Does he have enough information to convict a number of people and if so could that lead to Mr Trump resigning???


I never thought I would ever appreciate John Bolton, but as Fiona Hill just said: "Here we are."

But I'd appreciate him a lot more if he would stop standing on ceremony. He seldom does that when he thinks something will benefit him.
I don't think he sees any benefit from helping the Democrats impeach President Trump. Perhaps he still thinks all of this can somehow "be managed enough" to take the Republicans to another victory?

Does he still think Trump will do something for him?
Kinda difficult to imagine the President doing anything but throw him under the bus, even if he doesn't testify.


I think he's looking for a way to bury Trump that will not splash back on him.
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#318169 - 11/22/19 02:19 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: jgw]
Ujest Shurly Online   sleepy
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Registered: 10/16/16
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Loc: Sterling Heights, MI, USA
Originally Posted By: jgw
The whole thing is based on few facts as the attack on Biden was going to be. I wonder, however, if this stuff actually gets to the senate, and they have a trial judged by the Chief Judge of the Supreme Court, then does this mean that judge can also order testimony from the top tier of the Trump criminal organization?

Oh, I also note that the Dems are now putting hope into the fact that the Supremes are going to hear the suit against the Trump attorney. I think they are hoping for a wider judgment than just deciding whether McGahn must give testimony.


An interesting angle on the Senate trial. I wonder if that is part of Speaker Pelosi's strategy? Can't get inquiry testimony from administration officials, because of the Administration's refusal? The solution, call them at trial where they can not refuse... But, I think the Articles of Impeachment would have to have an Obstruction of Justice or Obstruction of Congress charge with a charge for each witness' failure to comply with a lawful subpoena? Oh, the trial could be such fun hitsfan popcorn2 Just hope and pray it is an open and televised public trial...

I think any Supreme Court decision concerning the President will be so narrow it would easily slide through the eye of a small needle.


Edited by Ujest Shurly (11/22/19 02:22 PM)
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#318170 - 11/22/19 02:30 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
rporter314 Offline
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here's the problem i have with Amb Bolton. Despite the fact I have disagreed with almost all if not all of his foreign policy ideas, I have always thought he was a person of integrity and truly (yep truly) believed in American patriotism. Some have tossed around the idea he is holding out to confess for a book deal. I think that only elicits the most craven instincts in those people and an equal mischaracterization of who Amb Bolton is. While it did cross my mind, I could not convince myself that was his real motivation.

I suspect he has been in the throes of a moral dilemma. He has been ordered not to testify and yet he knows and understands there is a far greater obligation to the country, the nation, the democracy to divulge any relevant information on the question of whether a sitting president has abused his power.

This morning he tweeted a cryptic message regarding a back story. Has he found a solution to his conundrum? Does it even pertain to the current impeachment proceedings? I predict he has found a way to expose Mr Trump with the most damning testimony yet for which there is no defense, other than an admission of guilt.

This is THE shoot someone in Times Square moment for Republicans.
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#318183 - 11/22/19 06:48 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: rporter314]
Greger Offline


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Registered: 11/24/06
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This is THE shoot someone in Times Square moment for Republicans.


And if it is we will see that the popular prediction that Trump would get away with it will come true. The Party will deem it self defense and invoke the "stand your ground" clause of the rule of law.

Republicans...when in fear of their political careers...
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#318189 - 11/22/19 07:26 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Hamish Howl]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 14608
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl


I think he's looking for a way to bury Trump that will not splash back on him.


Eggs Ackley.
He doesn't want to be seen with any fecal overspray on that giant streetsweeper broom of a mustache he has. It takes a lot of effort to keep that monster gleaming white.
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#318190 - 11/22/19 07:33 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Ujest Shurly]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
Revenge of the Immigrants?

eek2


Even if it WASN'T Revenge of the Immigrants, she HAS "the accent".
We Yanks are suckers for that accent.
We instinctively assume that Brits are smarter than we are because to our ears that accent subconsciously suggests they just might be.

Never mind Boris, never mind Brexit, never mind UKIP, when we hear those terse, clipped intonations and those pear shaped tones, we are conditioned to believe we are being addressed by our betters.
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