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#318141 - 11/21/19 11:44 PM The Dataist Manifesto
Hamish Howl Offline
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Aristotle was a toe-rag, and if his grave is ever located, people should crap on it.

There, I said it.

When approaching a problem, people tend to want to use either inductive reasoning or deductive reasoning, but successful problem-solvers use both. Inductive reasoning is applied to generate a broad range of possible root causes, and then deductive reasoning is used to narrow the list until a solution is found. The trick is to never allow a beautiful theory to blind you to what the data is telling you. Logic relies on the brain structure of weaponized apes, and that structure imposes limitations that said apes must be able to look past by not ignoring what the actual, real-world results are.

In other words, Aristotle had it totally backwards and set humanity back a thousand years because he was one of the "ancients" and everyone had to listen to his stupid ass.

Know your own limitations.

I've been thinking about autism recently, and the perceived upsurge in the frequency in which it occurs. It seems mostly to happen in developed areas, and seems to be a relatively recent thing. In fact, the recorded frequency seems to have a direct correlation with increased calorie intake in a population.

Hypothesis: Autism is related to the human mind's pattern recognition capability (people with mild autism are *really* good at spotting patterns), and people with autism simply have that part of their brain augmented by a decent diet during its development, similar to how well-nourished children tend to have better cognitive skills in general.

And since pattern recognition is so critical to our survival, maybe a higher level of development in that area could actually have adverse effects? Like not being able to do anything but recognize patterns?

BUT: I am not a neurologist. And I am operating off of "data" that is largely not data at all, but rather general impressions. For all I know, autism has always been around, but was referred to as "the village idiot" or "that guy who died from stepping on a bear." Inductive reasoning has produced a really neat-looking hypothesis, but that's all it is...Neat-looking.

And this is the part where a lot of people crawl up their own arse and go full David Avocado Wolfe. The hypothesis is absolutely useless until it has been tested and data has been collected (again, [censored] you, Aristotle) and the whole thing repeated, preferably by somebody else who really wants to tear you a very public new [censored]. If your hypothesis can survive that, it's probably worth taking seriously.

The universe doesn't lie to you, but YOU lie to you.

The universe follows exacting rules, no matter how it got there. It never breaks its own rules, even when it seems to...If it looks like it's breaking the rules, you just don't know enough about the situation. "Spooky action at a distance" is spooky because it's at a distance, or because you just flat out cannot see enough of the situation. But humans will decide that the rules actually don't work at times, if it fits their comfort zone.

This is exactly why agnostics are so [censored] annoying. Everybody hates those guys...They're the only people who are doing it right, because you can't gather data on whether or not an omnipresent God or three are actually there or not. Needless to say, agnostics are smug as hell about the whole thing, and should be kicked up and down the block until they wipe that smirk off of their faces.

Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration.
- some wiseguy


The thing about problem solving is that it's hard [censored] work. It isn't over when you peel away all the bullshit and find the answer...Because then you have to prove it, and if you're particularly unlucky, you have to impliment it. Act on it.

And this is really the point at which you can sort your basic ivory tower bullshit from genuinely useful information. An unworkable answer is no answer at all, and all you've done is waste everyone's irreplaceable time on this planet. This handy tip lets you discard communism, libertarianism, anarchism, supply side economics, and every damn clickbait "science" page ever inflicted on the internet. If you want to sit around coming up with "solutions" that can't work, great. Just do it in private and maybe wash your hands afterward.

Now, this doesn't mean you can't bring experts in. Hell, you probably should, if it's anything technical. But if you're just an "idea man", then no amount of experts can help you. Nor can they help you if you hire them and then don't listen to them. You might be the best engineer in the damn world, but don't try to explain porosity to a welder, if you know what I mean. And I think you do.

Which brings me to my next point.

You might be smart, but you're not the only one that is smart.

You MIGHT be an iconoclastic thinker. Everyone else MIGHT be doing things wrong just because "that's how we've done it for 20 years" (and this DOES happen), but you can spare yourself a ton of misery, wasted effort, and the mockery of your peers if you just SHUT YOUR DAMN PIE HOLE and LISTEN when someone brings up an objection to your beautiful idea. Especially if they've been doing it for 20 years. Experience is a painful teacher, and why not learn something the EASY way, by which I mean "listening to what the other person has to say" rather than by signing up for what might be an unreasonable amount of said painful learning?

The future isn't just brought on by revolutionary speakers. No. Mostly, in fact, it is brought on by lifetimess of accumulated knowledge, of one generation after another learning from the mistakes of the people who came before them. So when the blue collar dude who has been running that machine since before you were born tells you your idea is flawed, at least hear the guy out. He might just save your reputation; in some cases, he might just save your life.

Which in fact leads to...

You are useless by yourself.

Humans are a cooperative species. If you can't cooperate to achieve results, you have failed at "human". If you discourage or punish cooperation, just throw yourself off the nearest bridge, because you are in fact directly harming the species by your very presence. The world will not miss your "alpha" ass, and neither will the people around you. You are not a leader or lone wolf, you are an impediment to everyone around you.

This also implies that you might have to share the credit for your beautiful idea's translation into real-world application. How awful. How terribly unfair. Scream to me your anger at the very notion...But don't expect any sympathy from me, because almost all the great things in the world you live in came from humans being the insanely inventive, *cooperative* species that it is.

That's all I got.
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#318145 - 11/22/19 01:14 AM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: Hamish Howl]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
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Registered: 08/03/04
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl


I've been thinking about autism recently, and the perceived upsurge in the frequency in which it occurs. It seems mostly to happen in developed areas, and seems to be a relatively recent thing. In fact, the recorded frequency seems to have a direct correlation with increased calorie intake in a population.

Hypothesis: Autism is related to the human mind's pattern recognition capability (people with mild autism are *really* good at spotting patterns), and people with autism simply have that part of their brain augmented by a decent diet during its development, similar to how well-nourished children tend to have better cognitive skills in general.


I'm on the Autism Spectrum.
I'm what is known as an "Aspie"
Urban Dictionary definition - (as good as any)

My entire forty year career in film editing was based on my gift at recognizing patterns. In fact, I am, or WAS, pretty much a walking talking videotape recorder.
If I see it or hear it, I can duplicate it one way or another, note for note, word for word, visual element for visual element.
And, it also was handy when I was in a band as a youngster.
Funny thing is, I was not actually officially diagnosed until age 47.

Prior to that I was just a weird guy.
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#318148 - 11/22/19 01:34 AM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Hamish Howl Offline
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Registered: 11/21/19
Posts: 71
Loc: Tucson, AZ
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl


I've been thinking about autism recently, and the perceived upsurge in the frequency in which it occurs. It seems mostly to happen in developed areas, and seems to be a relatively recent thing. In fact, the recorded frequency seems to have a direct correlation with increased calorie intake in a population.

Hypothesis: Autism is related to the human mind's pattern recognition capability (people with mild autism are *really* good at spotting patterns), and people with autism simply have that part of their brain augmented by a decent diet during its development, similar to how well-nourished children tend to have better cognitive skills in general.


I'm on the Autism Spectrum.
I'm what is known as an "Aspie"
Urban Dictionary definition - (as good as any)

My entire forty year career in film editing was based on my gift at recognizing patterns. In fact, I am, or WAS, pretty much a walking talking videotape recorder.
If I see it or hear it, I can duplicate it one way or another, note for note, word for word, visual element for visual element.
And, it also was handy when I was in a band as a youngster.
Funny thing is, I was not actually officially diagnosed until age 47.

Prior to that I was just a weird guy.




Yeah, my weird thing turned into data analysis for the same reason.

So I'm still a horrible bastard, only now I get paid for it.
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#318166 - 11/22/19 04:33 AM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: Hamish Howl]
NW Ponderer Offline
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I have a son on the spectrum, and another, like me, that is just ADD. My family, however, has never forgiven me for coming back from the doctor with a non-diagnosis - what he actually said was "you don't need treatment, since you've obviously adapted and had a successful life." They insisted I go to a specialist and get a "proper" diagnosis. Of course, he said I have ADD... But there was no treatment he would recommend. My Primary physician said he wouldn't write a scrip because it was contraindicated by my other (HBP) medications. Nonetheless, my family insists I must be lying. I even took my wife to the doc with me and he told her the same thing. Didn't work - she wants a different doc.

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#318167 - 11/22/19 05:02 AM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: NW Ponderer]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
what he actually said was "you don't need treatment, since you've obviously adapted and had a successful life."


I really want to tear into this a little more, in a good way.
It is late for Karen so I have to wait till morning, but wow...your son, incredible.

Yeah sure, I adapted.
Rick will vouch for me being relatively normal*, but I think I might have hinted at my little period where I was experimenting with mind altering psychedelics.
I consider that brief interlude as the root of anything that ever helped me.
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#318172 - 11/22/19 03:01 PM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: NW Ponderer]
Hamish Howl Offline
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Registered: 11/21/19
Posts: 71
Loc: Tucson, AZ
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I have a son on the spectrum, and another, like me, that is just ADD. My family, however, has never forgiven me for coming back from the doctor with a non-diagnosis - what he actually said was "you don't need treatment, since you've obviously adapted and had a successful life." They insisted I go to a specialist and get a "proper" diagnosis. Of course, he said I have ADD... But there was no treatment he would recommend. My Primary physician said he wouldn't write a scrip because it was contraindicated by my other (HBP) medications. Nonetheless, my family insists I must be lying. I even took my wife to the doc with me and he told her the same thing. Didn't work - she wants a different doc.


Sounds like they might have become religious about this.

My issues caused some misery as a kid, because they didn't know much about ADD and misdiagnosed my mild autism as ADD and shoved Ritalin in my face.

Which is the very LAST thing you want to treat autism with.

If you're happy and doing well, you don't fix what ain't broken.
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#318173 - 11/22/19 03:03 PM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Hamish Howl Offline
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Registered: 11/21/19
Posts: 71
Loc: Tucson, AZ
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
what he actually said was "you don't need treatment, since you've obviously adapted and had a successful life."


I really want to tear into this a little more, in a good way.
It is late for Karen so I have to wait till morning, but wow...your son, incredible.

Yeah sure, I adapted.
Rick will vouch for me being relatively normal*, but I think I might have hinted at my little period where I was experimenting with mind altering psychedelics.
I consider that brief interlude as the root of anything that ever helped me.



I think what helped me was doing truly stupid things from age 17-26 (my time in the army) and being rewarded for it.

Which eventually got boring, so I decided to find something else I liked and really get into it.

The trick is to do stupid things long enough to get good at it, but not long enough to get killed doing it.


Edited by Hamish Howl (11/22/19 06:00 PM)
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#318180 - 11/22/19 05:57 PM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Registered: 11/24/06
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Loc: Florida
I am completely normal. I eschew patterns as sheer coincidence.
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#318185 - 11/22/19 07:04 PM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: Greger]
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Registered: 04/26/10
Posts: 9590
Loc: One of the Mexicos
I am like a dog - I eschew patterns to bits just as a way of passing time.
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#318187 - 11/22/19 07:11 PM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: Hamish Howl]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 14617
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl

My issues caused some misery as a kid, because they didn't know much about ADD and misdiagnosed my mild autism as ADD and shoved Ritalin in my face.

Which is the very LAST thing you want to treat autism with.

If you're happy and doing well, you don't fix what ain't broken.


I am sixty-two, and it's true that professionals were looking at something which, at the time, they had little understanding of, at least in my case. I am also a bit ADD myself and they tried putting me on Ritalin but after one dose my mother tossed it.

There was little to no help for me as a kid, and my DX at age 47 was really something of a relief, because in my mind, it made all the little indecipherable quagmires just click into place because suddenly it set everything in clear perspective, and my mind began to gradually make an adjustment.
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