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#318197 - 11/22/19 08:44 PM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: Hamish Howl]
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I never had an ADD problem or an autism diagnosis, but I was reading at a college level by age 10. An old-school IQ test at that age confirmed I was at that level across the board and I was steered into gifted classes, etc. So I have a lot of that pattern recognition capability without the downside.

The point being that I could have been one of those lone-wolf Randian superheroes, but I figured out a very long time ago that we are all in this together. I said "No, thank you." when my boss asked me if I would like to go to his medical school. I've always gracefully declined offers to join management at various engineering jobs. And one of the most satisfying jobs I ever did involved a team of about 60 people, all excellent software or digital design engineers.

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#318220 - 11/23/19 05:26 PM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
what he actually said was "you don't need treatment, since you've obviously adapted and had a successful life."


I really want to tear into this a little more, in a good way.
It is late for Karen so I have to wait till morning, but wow...your son, incredible.

Yeah sure, I adapted.
Rick will vouch for me being relatively normal*, but I think I might have hinted at my little period where I was experimenting with mind altering psychedelics.
I consider that brief interlude as the root of anything that ever helped me.



I think what helped me was doing truly stupid things from age 17-16 (my time in the army) and being rewarded for it.

Which eventually got boring, so I decided to find something else I liked and really get into npit.

The trick is to do stupid things long enough to get good at it, but not long enough to get killed doing it.
That, my friend, is truly profound. Both of my sons are, objectively, brilliant, but, sadly, marginally functional in many respects. Son #1 is married to a similarly brilliant individual who is a substantially more successful Asperger sufferer. Son #2 has profound social anxiety (won't go shipping unless the is a self~ checkout)., is employed in in his field, but lives at home. Outwardly, he is completely functional, engaging (hilarious), successful and very self- aware. (Actually, they both are. )

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#318224 - 11/23/19 07:30 PM Re: The Dataist Manifesto [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
what he actually said was "you don't need treatment, since you've obviously adapted and had a successful life."


I really want to tear into this a little more, in a good way.
It is late for Karen so I have to wait till morning, but wow...your son, incredible.

Yeah sure, I adapted.
Rick will vouch for me being relatively normal*, but I think I might have hinted at my little period where I was experimenting with mind altering psychedelics.
I consider that brief interlude as the root of anything that ever helped me.



I think what helped me was doing truly stupid things from age 17-16 (my time in the army) and being rewarded for it.

Which eventually got boring, so I decided to find something else I liked and really get into npit.

The trick is to do stupid things long enough to get good at it, but not long enough to get killed doing it.


That, my friend, is truly profound. Both of my sons are, objectively, brilliant, but, sadly, marginally functional in many respects. Son #1 is married to a similarly brilliant individual who is a substantially more successful Asperger sufferer. Son #2 has profound social anxiety (won't go shipping unless the is a self~ checkout)., is employed in in his field, but lives at home. Outwardly, he is completely functional, engaging (hilarious), successful and very self- aware. (Actually, they both are. )


I don't know if you meant what I discovered was profound or if what Hamish said was profound*, but if that was for me:

Oh trust me, in real life I am still a very weird guy, as far as social klutz tendencies go. Oh sure, I am much more outgoing and social than I was as a kid and occasionally I accidentally wind up working the room with style and grace, only to suddenly turn full-on goon shortly after. Not always, but enough that I can feel my cheeks burning.

It's like the guy who tries to show off being cool and winds up on YouTube as a comedy fail. Thank God YouTube did not exist in the 70's, 80's and 90's.

Where I think I found "profound" is that in the past, when my awkwardness would pile up, I would withdraw into depression instead, and to the outside world that came off as extreme arrogance, when in reality it was a defense mechanism, but I apparently came off as rude, self absorbed and arrogant.

I was able to release myself from most of that, with the result being that people seem to come away with the impression that I am a kind person instead. After psychedelics, I could suddenly read what was in people's hearts a lot better and although I still sometimes do miss social cues that most people clue into immediately, for the most part I know I am much better at that than I used to be, because that used to be a big fat zero in the past.

And yes, I agree that sometimes, "The trick is to do stupid things long enough to get good at it, but not long enough to get killed doing it."
---Or HURT someone else while doing it.

(* I may have just missed another cue?) LOL
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