Current Topics
Bloomberg raises $16M to pay fines of 32K former felons so they can vote
by Greger
09/24/20 01:33 AM
Do both sides really do it?
by Greger
09/24/20 01:10 AM
Is it too soon to be talking 2020?
by perotista
09/23/20 11:51 PM
Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died
by jgw
09/23/20 05:58 PM
Portland. A Turning Point?
by pdx rick
09/23/20 12:22 PM
The Republican Platform
by pondering_it_all
09/22/20 09:22 PM
Global warming predictions
by pondering_it_all
09/20/20 09:04 PM
RoundTable for Summer 2020
by jgw
09/20/20 04:47 PM
Half of troops have an unfavorable opinion of President Bone Spurs
by CPWILL
09/20/20 07:42 AM
West Coast Burning
by NW Ponderer
09/19/20 06:57 PM
Bob Woodward's book details Trump's chaotic and dysfunctional White House
by Greger
09/19/20 06:57 PM
Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century?
by pondering_it_all
09/18/20 05:18 AM
The Boogaloo Bois
by pondering_it_all
09/17/20 08:17 AM
How the world sees U.S. and Trump
by jgw
09/16/20 09:01 PM
The Trump campaign is broke
by pdx rick
09/15/20 12:20 PM
Barr is acting as ‘personal henchman’ of Trump
by Greger
09/13/20 09:33 PM
Covid Long Haulers
by jgw
09/07/20 06:23 PM
A post, on facebook, by my granddaughter that covers it all pretty good!
by pondering_it_all
09/02/20 07:27 PM
The Democratic Fight
by jgw
09/02/20 06:09 PM
voters who don't
by pondering_it_all
09/01/20 08:35 AM
Forum Stats
6292 Members
60 Forums
16996 Topics
302920 Posts

Max Online: 294 @ 12/06/17 12:57 AM
Google Adsense
Page 4 of 12 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... 11 12 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#318278 - 11/25/19 07:26 AM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
chunkstyle Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 2356
Hallo, weren’t you at various times defending the corruption in the 2016 primary?
You expect to be taken seriously about ‘threats to democracy’ now?
Gimme a break. You can’t have it both ways. Giving your preferred party a free pass over their corrupt shite while calling foul over the other party and trying to impeach on the lamest of excuses.
Don’t get me wrong, as a distraction from any meaningful political debate it’s been wonderfully effective. Lids have been lapping it up as intended. The odds that he will be impeached are very low. If that moronic Russiagate waste of time is any indication, his popularity should go up as a result of this circus. It may even be a gift to the President to mobilize his base to turn out and vote.
If there is a payback from a re-elected President I wonder what Libs will be blaming then?
Definitely not themselves, if history is any guide.

Top
#318279 - 11/25/19 07:50 AM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
chunkstyle Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 2356
A good example of organic self organizing and democratizing the means of production and Capitol has been happening in Greece.
The Viome factory was taken over by workers when the owners went bust and German austerity was imposed on the nation.

Viome

It’s future is not certain but it got a lot of support from other trade/labor unions that bought its products in support and solidarity during the initial takeover. Seemed pretty organic to me.

It’s back story

Top
#318283 - 11/25/19 05:41 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 15728
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Hallo, weren’t you at various times defending the corruption in the 2016 primary?


The trick with hyperbole is "less is more".
That also applies to wild exaggerations.
Outright distortions? Not so sure there's a soupçon for that.

popcorn2
_________________________
"The Best of the Leon Russell Festivals" DVD
deepfreezefilms.com

Top
#318287 - 11/25/19 08:34 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
chunkstyle Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 2356
O.K.
Maybe my recollection is wrong. Coulda swore you, as well as others on this board that supported Clinton, were giving a lot of excuses over the outright corruption and collusion of the DNC and the Clinton camp in the 2016 primary.

I don't believe there were many calling it out. A lot of 'yeah but' and 'I'll grant you that but'. A bunch of 'Sanders wasn't a democrat anyway'.

You can see how those same people howling about how Trump cheated and threatens democracy is less than honest and phony to it's core?

I apologize if your hate was pure then as it must be now. Wouldn't want to mischaracterize your position.

Top
#318288 - 11/25/19 08:44 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
chunkstyle Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 2356
"As it was, I was on a crap-ton of Bernie Facebook groups during that period and it's awfully difficult to interpret it as Trump reaching out to Bernie Bros for me, because I was seeing Bernie Bros talking about Trump before the Democratic Convention.
Scads of them had already made up their minds that the nomination was corrupt and tilted against Bernie and that they were in a mood to put Trump in just to teach America a lesson.

Never mind that, by refusing to be a Democrat, Bernie was up against Rule Numero Uno in the DNC:

1. Choose a Democrat as candidate, no choosing OUTSIDE the party.

Rule Numero Dos:

2. Protect the chosen DNC candidate at all costs.

I've expounded on this innumerable times, you cannot be outside the party and expect that party to help you in a POTUS race. It just doesn't work that way, it never has and it likely never will.

But anyway, a month or even two months before the convention, a lot of hardcore Bernie or Bust Bros were announcing their intention to vote Trump if Bernie lost the primary, again...just to teach us all a lesson."

Oh wait,...

That was you Jeff. Excusing the criminal collusion of the DNC and Clinton camp.

Top
#318289 - 11/25/19 08:45 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
chunkstyle Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 2356
"Because in the end, whether you and I agree what they did was immoral or even sometimes illegal, they did what a party is required to do, select a candidate and then protect them."

memories.....

Top
#318290 - 11/25/19 08:46 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
chunkstyle Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 2356
Talk to me more about how Trump is undermining democracy Jeff...

Top
#318293 - 11/25/19 10:09 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 15728
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Talk to me more about how Trump is undermining democracy Jeff...


Gaslighting, not a good look on you.
Try a different tactic.
_________________________
"The Best of the Leon Russell Festivals" DVD
deepfreezefilms.com

Top
#318294 - 11/25/19 10:17 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 15728
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
"Because in the end, whether you and I agree what they did was immoral or even sometimes illegal, they did what a party is required to do, select a candidate and then protect them."

memories.....


And that is the case.
We may not like it, we should change it, but that is how our system works. You like to categorize that as defense, but then again you like to miscategorize, distort and twist a lot of things.
It pisses you off when someone explains reality to you, it conflicts with your vision of how it should be, to the point where, even if another agrees that it should be the way you stated, PFFFFTTT, TOO LATE!, you've already tagged them as a traitor anyway, hence you interpret:

Originally Posted By: Jeffery Haas
"Because in the end, whether you and I agree what they did was immoral or even sometimes illegal, they did what a party is required to do, select a candidate and then protect them."


As equivalent to:

Originally Posted By: Jeffery Haas
"Chunk, we should all bow down to the way the DNC does things."


You know what it reminds me of?
It reminds me of the way Antifa treats liberals and Democrats.
We're not far enough to the Left for them, thus we are TRAITOROUS SCUM.


In the future, if you pull up one of my quotes, maybe you could do us all a solid and copy the URL to the post in question, so that we can all visit the entire thread to glean the context the statement was made in.
In this case however, lack of that just points to your laziness.
You didn't bother because you're not even serious about this whole thing. You're just having a bad day and you want to take it out on me.
I say that because I know you're not stupid, thus you KNOW how to LINK to a post via URL.

You just didn't bother because for you, this is entertainment.
Glad I could entertain you.
Now can we all get back to talking about Organic Socialism or did you want to start your own "Jeff is an [censored] who loves fascism" thread?

You haven't proved that I love fascism, you haven't proved that I defended DNC corruption either.
failpail

All you've proven is that you have an obsession, a rather unhealthy one, which tends to divert attention away from the debate subjects.
If I am living rent-free in your head, seek help for that.
_________________________
"The Best of the Leon Russell Festivals" DVD
deepfreezefilms.com

Top
#318295 - 11/25/19 10:23 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
chunkstyle Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 2356
"Because in the end, whether you and I agree what they did was immoral or even sometimes illegal, they did what a party is required to do, select a candidate and then protect them."

I thought voters decided who should win primaries.

Top
Page 4 of 12 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... 11 12 >

Who's Online
1 registered (perotista), 37 Guests and 0 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Superfly, GreatNewsTonight, danarhea, RoughDraft274, CPWILL
6292 Registered Users
A2