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#318452 - 11/29/19 08:21 PM Re: Media and Responsibility [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Biden could not be as bad as Trump if he stayed up all night trying.

Oh good heavens no! He'd always try to do the best thing for the American people, but he'd have a hard time remembering just what that might be...

Donald Trump is malicious, corrupt, and destructive. Biden would just be wishy washy, out of touch, weak and ineffective as a leader. We'd get four rather pleasant years, "normal" years, years without Trump.

Then along comes 2024...Joe's 81 by then and looking every minute of it, he hasn't done much of anything for four years and Republicans are champing at the bit to get back into power...Democrats are bored stiff and sleep through the election of Donald Trump Jr.

That's when I want anybody but Biden in the oval office.
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#318456 - 11/29/19 11:17 PM Re: Media and Responsibility [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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Biden could not be as bad as Trump if he stayed up all night trying.

Oh good heavens no! He'd always try to do the best thing for the American people, but he'd have a hard time remembering just what that might be...

Donald Trump is malicious, corrupt, and destructive. Biden would just be wishy washy, out of touch, weak and ineffective as a leader. We'd get four rather pleasant years, "normal" years, years without Trump.

Then along comes 2024...Joe's 81 by then and looking every minute of it, he hasn't done much of anything for four years and Republicans are champing at the bit to get back into power...Democrats are bored stiff and sleep through the election of Donald Trump Jr.

That's when I want anybody but Biden in the oval office.


Only there's no guarantee we'll recover from Trump's first term. I don't give us any chance at all if he's reelected.
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#318457 - 11/29/19 11:37 PM Re: Media and Responsibility [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
Biden could not be as bad as Trump if he stayed up all night trying.

Oh good heavens no! He'd always try to do the best thing for the American people, but he'd have a hard time remembering just what that might be...

Donald Trump is malicious, corrupt, and destructive. Biden would just be wishy washy, out of touch, weak and ineffective as a leader. We'd get four rather pleasant years, "normal" years, years without Trump.

Then along comes 2024...Joe's 81 by then and looking every minute of it, he hasn't done much of anything for four years and Republicans are champing at the bit to get back into power...Democrats are bored stiff and sleep through the election of Donald Trump Jr.

That's when I want anybody but Biden in the oval office.


I wish there was an award for a post like that.
I think you pretty much nailed it.
Donald Trump Jr.--- eek2 eek2 eek2
...just take me out back and shoot me.
No seriously...I am grokking this on an almost cellular level, even in my bones.

And I am not even so sure we'll be getting four pleasant anything, even if we had J.C. Himself as a candidate.
If he's anything Dem, lib, dem-soc or soc-dem,(which he pretty much is - all of the above) it's war no matter what or who.

The Republican Party has indoctrinated itself with the notion that the only means to constitutional governance is to render the nation ungovernable at all costs.
The only path to rendering them inconsequential is enough pain, failure and yes, perhaps even blood on their end that they ultimately render themselves inconsequential.

If they were even remotely sane or rational, just recognition of the fact that, to date, the Trump-GOP perp walk has now swelled to a length longer than some funeral processions, would be enough to alert them to the fact that danger lurks ahead.

"No, really guys...here be monsters."

So, Biden seems to still think that pot is a certain gateway to harder drugs, eh?
I think Joe Biden is a sure-fire gateway to Donald Trump, Jr 2024.
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#318465 - 11/30/19 03:46 AM Re: Media and Responsibility [Re: jgw]
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That's why Biden absolutely NEEDS a VP like Warren: So she can succeed him in 2024 when he wanders of to the old folks home. A Biden Presidency could feature an active and vigorous more-left VP, and I think Warren could really shine as such. That would also get a lot more people comfortable with her in a leadership position.

Keep in mind also, that by 2024 many Trump figures might be in prison so Republicans (or what is left of them) might still be suffering from a very bad reputation.

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#318466 - 11/30/19 04:03 AM Re: Media and Responsibility [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
That's why Biden absolutely NEEDS a VP like Warren: So she can succeed him in 2024 when he wanders of to the old folks home. A Biden Presidency could feature an active and vigorous more-left VP, and I think Warren could really shine as such. That would also get a lot more people comfortable with her in a leadership position.

Keep in mind also, that by 2024 many Trump figures might be in prison so Republicans (or what is left of them) might still be suffering from a very bad reputation.


I worry that Greger may be right, I want to believe that you might be right, and it's even possible that the truth lies somewhere in between.
Here's the thing, "somewhere in between" is still a very risky chance of a TrumpJR2020 reality.

A lot of this depends on the Congress we put in there.
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#318909 - 12/12/19 05:43 PM Re: Media and Responsibility [Re: jgw]
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Did someone mention "media and responsibility"?
I don't know if this story springs from the well of responsibility but it's a sleeper with very long legs and enormous impact.

Sinclair was on a path to overtake Fox News as the "prime supplier of conspiracy theory propaganda of a certain national political nature."
And Boris Epshteyn was among those who were the tip of the spear.

Sinclair was poised to stomp Fox News into smithereens in the role of extreme Right weaponized propaganda.

And now suddenly, and almost without warning, they drop this bombshell:

Sinclair drops Boris Epshteyn and other political analysts

Sinclair, which owns 193 stations in the U.S., said it wants to focus on local news and investigative journalism.

Quote:
Sinclair Broadcast Group is axing the "must-run" segments of one of its biggest stars, Boris Epshteyn, the network's chief political analyst and a former special assistant to President Donald Trump. The move is part of a companywide effort to move away from political commentary in favor of investigative journalism, the network said Wednesday.


gobsmacked coffee :doh:
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#318911 - 12/12/19 06:17 PM Re: Media and Responsibility [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Perhaps Sinclair decided that alienating 50% of the audience wasn't good business sense.
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#318930 - 12/13/19 12:02 AM Re: Media and Responsibility [Re: jgw]
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Part of their problem is they are a broadcast media company, so they can't assume 100% of their viewers support a particular political agenda like Fox can. And their viewers who don't can just go to internet news without commercials for free, if they already have broadband.

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#318936 - 12/13/19 01:06 AM Re: Media and Responsibility [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Part of their problem is they are a broadcast media company, so they can't assume 100% of their viewers support a particular political agenda like Fox can. And their viewers who don't can just go to internet news without commercials for free, if they already have broadband.


Two hundred thousand a month would get them a dedicated uplink to their own satellite, thus a pen to sign a check and the flip of a switch and they would BE the next Fox News. And with almost two hundred affiliates they would potentially have access to all that local coverage for breaking stories.
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#319176 - 12/20/19 10:15 PM Re: Media and Responsibility [Re: jgw]
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I was watching a show called; "The eleventh hour with brian Williams" They were talking, exactly about how media is tending to pick the winners and losers. The discussion was how to not do that. There were suggestions but no solutions. However, that being said, it seems that some talking heads of TV actually understand what they are, in the end, doing, ie. Picking winners and losers do to exposure on TV.

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