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#316629 - 10/12/19 09:46 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Nebraska Forest Service To Hold Biochar Demonstration


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That behemoth has been "demonstrated" all over the country and no one wants it. It's basically an overhyped biomass disposal unit that creates more CO2 from the fossil fuel inputs than it saves in biochar - and it wastes all of the generated heat.

But you can own your own for a mere $600,000!
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#316631 - 10/12/19 11:09 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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Florida needs these for hurricane debris removal
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#316634 - 10/12/19 11:59 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Greger]
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Florida needs these for hurricane debris removal

It's based on a device known as an "air curtain burner" that burns large quantities of biomass with very little smoke. They have modified it with a bunch of expensive add-ons that result in the capture of about 5% of the material as biochar.

Our system utilizes all of the heat and yields 30% biochar.
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#316635 - 10/13/19 12:16 AM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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It will do nothing to mitigate global warming.
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#316650 - 10/13/19 02:17 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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I think my point was that there is beginning to be a lot of interest in bio-char, The Nebraska Forest Service has expressed an interest in it and I suppose other states might be looking into it as well. The Great Plains Biochar Initiative looks like an interesting prospect and even if this particular piece of machinery is a fail there will be others, like yourself, creating other machines that won't fail.
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#316651 - 10/13/19 02:32 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Greger]
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I think my point was that there is beginning to be a lot of interest in bio-char, The Nebraska Forest Service has expressed an interest in it and I suppose other states might be looking into it as well. The Great Plains Biochar Initiative looks like an interesting prospect and even if this particular piece of machinery is a fail there will be others, like yourself, creating other machines that won't fail.

I'm in contact with the Nebraska Forest Service and we might have an opportunity to build a system for a large greenhouse operation there. They also have a large federal grant to investigate and certify the feeding of biochar to livestock. The supplier of the biochar they are using for that is in Wyoming and we are in discussions about building him a system to replace the one he is currently using.

Things are moving, but slowly. If I had the financial and PR backing that The Beast has, we'd be global by now.
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#316660 - 10/13/19 08:27 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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Looks like the beast will likely end up rusting in a field, I wasn't tryin' to start a fight, this just popped up on my phone and was about bio-whatever....crazy
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#316662 - 10/13/19 08:47 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Greger]
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Geez, I didn't think you wanted to fight. That might be kinda funny, though, two old codgers tripping over their shoelaces and huffing and puffing around in slow circles trying to remember "yo mama" insults......

rolleyes
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#318498 - 12/01/19 01:25 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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Check this out - does it give you some hope that humans will respond and adapt?

IMF’s plan to mitigate climate change
Quote:
In the fight against climate change, no one can stand on the sidelines

I offer one question for you to keep in mind while reading the article: “What does this plan offer me as a personal act of participation?” You know, what can I do to get off of the sidelines and into the game?

Quote:
The IMF is stepping up its efforts to deal with climate risk. Our mission is to help our members build stronger economies and improve people's lives through sound monetary, fiscal and structural policies. We consider climate change a systemic risk to the macroeconomy and one in which the IMF is deeply involved through its research and policy advice.



For myself, I have no real faith that the “leaders” of humanity have the ability to come up with solutions for the climate crisis that will allow the flock of seven billion to continue to “safely graze” in our comfort zone.

Quote:
Sheep may safely graze
The bluebirds have chased the vultures from the sky
Sheep may safely graze
The day is merely gone now and closed its eyes
Sheep may safely graze, my boy
All the fishes are leaping into the nets

Sheep may safely graze
This, my darling, is as good as it gets
Sheep may safely graze
All the lost children will be found in time
Sheep may safely graze, my boy
Close your eyes, your daddy is by your side

If you shouldn't wake tomorrow
The fences are all torn down
The woods are full of howling beasts
And there ain't nobody around

And everything seems foreign
To your little ways
That's just the gods above
Making it save to graze

The fox has its hole
The bird has its nest
But the son of man has no place
To lay his head and rest


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#318499 - 12/01/19 02:30 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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The author of the article linked above makes an annual salary of $450,000. My Trollworks venture had a total operating budget last year of $125,000 (materials, utilities, travel, salaries, rent, etc.) and is demonstrating a technological and social system that improves the environment, displaces fossil fuels, and draws down CO2 from the atmosphere - all on a community platform).

Whaddaya think... should I ask Kristalina Georgieva if she would like to invest?

I'm going to give it a try - stand by for a full report. We'll see if she's willing to put some skin in the game, or if she just wants to safely graze in her $450,000 a year rented pasture.
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