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#318512 - 12/01/19 09:04 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Nothing excites the electorate like gradual incrementalism.

Democrats 2020!
Cuz no one likes their issues being addressed in the near term.

On the other hand, look how much ground the fascists have ceded with their radical regressive goals....

A losing political strategy to be sure.


So four blue dogs did blue dog things, F**** the Dems!
Yeah, forget it. Let's just have four more years of Trump because Dems are evil, gotcha.

Of course, I am prepared for another 30,939,438,759,874,598,745,987 page temper tantrum. Bring it on.
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#318520 - 12/02/19 01:37 AM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Whatís the point arguing Jeff?
Itís obvious your right.

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#318528 - 12/02/19 04:23 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Whatís the point arguing Jeff?
Itís obvious your right.
Finally, a concession I can endorse. wink

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#318533 - 12/02/19 06:24 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Talk to me more about how Trump is undermining democracy Jeff...


Gaslighting, not a good look on you.
Try a different tactic.
Hey, it works for Trump.

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#318536 - 12/02/19 06:28 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Talk to me more about how Trump is undermining democracy Jeff...


Gaslighting, not a good look on you.
Try a different tactic.
Hey, it works for Trump.


You know what? If someone is just honest and comes right out and SAYS that they are actually a Trump voter, SO WHAT?
Okay, you're a Trump voter.

Chickens lay white eggs and brown eggs, yes?
Kids are born with black, brown, blonde, or red hair, yes?

What I don't get (actually we all DO get) is the idea of being a chicken that lays white eggs, and then takes a brown Sharpie and pretends they are brown eggs, when in reality they're white.

So chunkstyle, if you're really in favor of Trump, just be honest about it. smile

It's okay if you don't agree that Trump is undermining democracy.
Explain to us all how he's fortifying it and preserving it.
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#318537 - 12/02/19 06:42 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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<sigh>This thread has drifted so far from the topic I am not certain I know what it is anymore.

So, let me take a stab at opining on the topic: In my view, "organic socialism" is man's natural state. We are a gregarious (social) species. Cooperative. Co-ops are...cooperatives. So, it is a natural state for us to work together toward a goal. Successful companies usually use that as a tool to get productivity. Some enlightened managers see that as a laudable goal for a company to work for the benefit of its employees. I see all of these as 'organic socialism'.

Governments, in the classic liberal construction, are instituted among the population to benefit the population as a whole. Similarly, corporations are, in theory, a method of coordinating "capital" with "workers" to benefit both. That neither are following that paradigm may not be a fault with the conception so much as it is a fault in those at the controls.

Not ALL humans act with altruistic intentions. As a society, we Americans have drifted from those laudable paradigms into selfish ones - idolizing the "individual"; the "self-starter" - without examining the reality behind those successes. No self-starter succeeded alone. They all rely on infrastructure and systems created by others, and the support of others who joined their effort. I think it is important to recognize this to reclaim the mantle of social-ism.
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#318541 - 12/02/19 08:00 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas


Chickens lay white eggs and brown eggs, yes?
Kids are born with black, brown, blonde, or red hair, yes?

What I don't get (actually we all DO get) is the idea of being a chicken that lays white eggs, and then takes a brown Sharpie and pretends they are brown eggs, when in reality they're white.



I never thought Iíd say this, I think Iím missing your car analogies.

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#318565 - 12/02/19 11:51 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: NW Ponderer]
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This thread has drifted so far from the topic I am not certain I know what it is anymore.

While it is generally assumed that white chickens lay white eggs and brown chickens lay brown eggs, the truth is that you must look at their ear lobes to be sure. Yes, chickens have earlobes and yes the color of the earlobe determines the color of the egg. So what about sharpies?
All eggs are white when they are formed inside the chicken. Look at the inside of your brown egg. Yep, it's white. Scratch at the outside a bit and you will see that it has been coloured. Perhaps with a sharpie, I don't know how they do it. You'd have to crawl up a chicken's ass and watch.
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#318567 - 12/03/19 12:14 AM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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Some breeds legs give em away too.
Currently have some cream leg bars that lay blue eggs but have neither blue legs or ear lobes.

Like most things, thereís exceptions.

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#318570 - 12/03/19 12:57 AM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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My Easter Eggers lay bright white eggs, not blue, and I've a couple of little white hens that lay olive tinted eggs. Cuckoo Marans lay chocolate eggs with speckles and the Black Stars lay extra large brown.

Yes, people are inclined to work together, organically choosing social democracy where everyone decides what needs to be done and who should do it. But just like chickens, they're happier if there's a rooster bossing everybody around.
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