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#318403 - 11/28/19 09:12 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: pdx rick]
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Iím hoping to avoid another Trump. Weíll have to disagree on how to do that.

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#318404 - 11/28/19 09:14 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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Bernie bro (t.m. Clinton 2016) was not a thing.
Repeating the smear has made it one now but only to a limited audience.

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#318407 - 11/29/19 12:02 AM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Bernie bro (t.m. Clinton 2016) was not a thing.
Repeating the smear has made it one now but only to a limited audience.


It sure as Hell was.
Every single Bernie Sanders page or group on social media sites like FB were swamped by multiple attacks both from Russian trolls and Bros who vowed to see to it we'd get Trump if they didn't get Bernie.

That's why wifey and I were shocked to realize that we were just two ordinary people who picked Bernie, but apparently we were NOT "Bros".
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#318409 - 11/29/19 01:07 AM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Not wanting to give anyone homework but do you have any credible evidence that supports a Trump victory by sanders supporters.
AKA Bernie Bros?

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#318420 - 11/29/19 04:11 AM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me...Farmers in the flyover states elected Trump. Redneck assh*les elected Trump. The vagueries of the electoral college elected Trump. Obama haters elected Trump. Disgruntled democrats didn't elect Trump.
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#318433 - 11/29/19 11:01 AM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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If you look at the numbers, an awful lot of White women voted for Trump. I was actually shocked by the high percentage because Trump was such an obvious misogynist pig. Women don't trust other women. I think it may be a competition thing. This is why I worry about Warren, even though she may be the best qualified.

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#318439 - 11/29/19 04:43 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: Greger]
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The same voters that voted for Obama twice in the upper midwest also voted for Trump.

Understanding that would go a long ways to understanding how to win in 2020 but that would require doing politics.


I personally think the entire 2016 Primary holds the key to winning in 2020, butthat's just me and I admit to being in the minority on discussing that subject honestly and rationally.

Those subjects will be informing my voting preference.

What I see going on is a whole lot of distraction and not much else. A healthy dose of redbaiting and smearing has been going on also.

A sorry rational to vote with.


Edited by chunkstyle (11/29/19 04:44 PM)

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#318440 - 11/29/19 04:51 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Would you care to explain why itís even relevant?

Because you think everyone else's ideal candidate sucks. I simply wanted to understand who YOU think is the ideal candidate to run this country.

smile



I gave a critique. It's an old professional habit and training that has become a liability sometimes.

If I said someone sucked,Rick, was I at least giving an explanation why?

I think that's fair but sometimes people confuse a critique with a personal attack. Gets me in trouble when I forget that.


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#318444 - 11/29/19 06:00 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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The same voters that voted for Obama twice in the upper midwest also voted for Trump.

That's probably a bigger issue than the Sanders voters. There are a lot of people out there who are not partisans, pay no attention to politics or the news, and they vote in presidential elections only.

Donald Trump spoke to them. He voiced their innermost resentments. And some, who had fallen for the earlier "Hope and Change" con, also fell for Trump's Bullsh*t. No it wasn't the handful of left leaning primary voters who preferred Sanders over Clinton who might then have voted for Trump.

Face it... It was a perfect storm of f*ck-ups that got us where we are.

A fluke.
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#318451 - 11/29/19 08:05 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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West Virginia should also be looked at closely. Sanders message won him a landslide there.
Trump won it in a landslide there.

Thereís a drum beating for blue no matter who. Itís not a question of brand loyalty but of issues that speak to voters.

Blue no matter who is not sustainable in the long run. Time is not on our side under the current state of affairs and the electoral college is up for grabs still.

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