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#318453 - 11/29/19 08:30 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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West Virginia only has 5 electoral votes and it's not turning blue anytime soon.
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#318471 - 11/30/19 12:14 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: Greger]
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It gives clues to rural votes that most democrats seem clueless with now.

My shock at finding the Trillbilly’s getting profiled on the Lamestream:
Sanders bridging the rural divide

They hail out of Kentucky. McConnell country. Not to mention southern Ohio.


Edited by chunkstyle (11/30/19 01:25 PM)

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#318491 - 11/30/19 09:37 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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They hail out of Kentucky. McConnell country. Not to mention southern Ohio.


It bears mentioning that there are a f*ck ton of progressives and democrats in general even in the reddest areas and vice versa the right wingnuts in the cities. Just not enough to win elections.

I'm wondering if Bernie might be about to surge. His Facebook Thanksgiving greeting had 45K likes when I saw it.
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#318492 - 11/30/19 09:49 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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Voting isn't marriage, it's public transport.
You're not "waiting for the one" who is absolutely perfect.
You're catching the bus.
And if there isn't one going exactly to your destination,
you don't stay at home and sulk, or get on a bus going the opposite
direction, you take the one going closest to where you want to be.
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#318502 - 12/01/19 04:10 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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Obama May have been the last metaphor and altruistic rhetoric strategy campaign.
People don’t seem to be voting for metaphors, a ‘were just better than them over there, or the usual hectoring.
The Midwest proved it in 2016.

Democrats, as s party, refuse to address the majority of people’s concerns:
Senate Democrats Join GOP to Back 'Autom...g Bold Policies

Nor are they willing to address the very question of survival and how, they, as a party, would lay out a vision to deal with it:
Democrats refuse to take climate change seriously

So, no, it’s not a question of voting blue no matter who, buses getting you close to where you want to go, or perfection not playing mice with the good. It’s more a matter of illiberal ineffectual and dominant power structures maintaining their positions of power at the expense of winning elections rather than piss off their donor class.

As Robert Reich put it:
A centrist cannot win in 2020.

Or as the Heads sang:


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#318503 - 12/01/19 05:22 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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A centrist cannot win in 2020.

Because even if a centrist wins...it's a net loss. Ineffectual centrist governance got us where we are. It's not gonna get us out of this.
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#318506 - 12/01/19 05:47 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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A centrist cannot win in 2020.

Because even if a centrist wins...it's a net loss. Ineffectual centrist governance got us where we are. It's not gonna get us out of this.


Naw. First we move from "totally [censored]" to "normal".

Then we can push for something worth having.
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#318508 - 12/01/19 06:23 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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A centrist cannot win in 2020.

Because even if a centrist wins...it's a net loss. Ineffectual centrist governance got us where we are. It's not gonna get us out of this.


BOOM!

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#318509 - 12/01/19 06:27 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: Hamish Howl]
chunkstyle Offline
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Nothing excites the electorate like gradual incrementalism.

Democrats 2020!
Cuz no one likes their issues being addressed in the near term.

On the other hand, look how much ground the fascists have ceded with their radical regressive goals....

A losing political strategy to be sure.


Edited by chunkstyle (12/01/19 06:28 PM)

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#318511 - 12/01/19 09:03 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Voting isn't marriage, it's public transport.
You're not "waiting for the one" who is absolutely perfect.
You're catching the bus.
And if there isn't one going exactly to your destination,
you don't stay at home and sulk, or get on a bus going the opposite
direction, you take the one going closest to where you want to be.
I completely support your approach, Jeff. And Chunk is apparently right, too, when he says
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Nothing excites the electorate like gradual incrementalism.
At least according to the polls. 270 to Win.

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