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#318558 - 12/02/19 09:10 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: rporter314]
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#318560 - 12/02/19 09:41 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: HumblePi]
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Originally Posted By: HumblePi


I realize, as many others do, that our government is under control of the Kremlin.


"Ukraine did it" is direct from the Russian GRU.
(military intelligence)
This is confirmed by Trump appointee Fiona Hill, plus seventeen US intelligence agencies, which by the way have already BRIEFED Republicans in closed door classified sessions.

They were also briefed in closed door sessions by the following who testified IN ADDITION TO their public appearances.

Marie Yovanovitch
Fiona Hill
George Kent
Michael McKinley
Gordon D. Sondland
William Taylor
Laura Cooper
Philip Reeker
Alexander S. Vindman
Tim Morrison

So, Republicans ALREADY KNOW this is a fact.
And they're still pumping this nonsense anyway, which for me at least, is the textbook definition of "acting as an unregistered foreign agent".

Ergo, Republicans in Congress are, with few exceptions, unregistered foreign agents working for the Kremlin.
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#318561 - 12/02/19 09:53 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas

So, Republicans ALREADY KNOW this is a fact.
And they're still pumping this nonsense anyway, which for me at least, is the textbook definition of "acting as an unregistered foreign agent".

Ergo, Republicans in Congress are, with few exceptions, unregistered foreign agents working for the Kremlin.


I am unsure why this would be a surprise. The current crop of the GOP, starting with McConnell, are devoid of any morals whatsoever, and working against US interests with the Russians doesn't seem to pose any problem at all.
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#318563 - 12/02/19 10:20 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas

So, Republicans ALREADY KNOW this is a fact.
And they're still pumping this nonsense anyway, which for me at least, is the textbook definition of "acting as an unregistered foreign agent".

Ergo, Republicans in Congress are, with few exceptions, unregistered foreign agents working for the Kremlin.


I am unsure why this would be a surprise. The current crop of the GOP, starting with McConnell, are devoid of any morals whatsoever, and working against US interests with the Russians doesn't seem to pose any problem at all.
That is, genuinely, what I find so shocking. I am a real patriot. What they are is not fit for human company. I can't adequately describe it here. They are [censored] Traitors.

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#318564 - 12/02/19 11:14 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas

So, Republicans ALREADY KNOW this is a fact.
And they're still pumping this nonsense anyway, which for me at least, is the textbook definition of "acting as an unregistered foreign agent".

Ergo, Republicans in Congress are, with few exceptions, unregistered foreign agents working for the Kremlin.


I am unsure why this would be a surprise. The current crop of the GOP, starting with McConnell, are devoid of any morals whatsoever, and working against US interests with the Russians doesn't seem to pose any problem at all.
That is, genuinely, what I find so shocking. I am a real patriot. What they are is not fit for human company. I can't adequately describe it here. They are [censored] Traitors.


They're not even traitors. That would imply loyalties betrayed.

They're gangsters. They didn't have any loyalty to begin with.
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#318566 - 12/03/19 12:07 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Hamish Howl]
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#318568 - 12/03/19 12:27 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Greger]
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I'm not throwing up my hands. Have Palestinians thrown up their hands?

Have black people given up the struggle? Have refugees stopped coming?

Donald Trump is a tempest in a teacup. Our napkins might get blown away, our crumpets damp, our scones all soggy, but in the end we'll have a laugh and clean up the mess.

I have an agenda. Global Utopian Social Democracy. A world where every nation is like the Scandinavian nations and everybody's happy, well paid, healthy and educated.
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#318569 - 12/03/19 12:28 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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If John Bolton won't testify, arrest him.

TIME MAGAZINE
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#318571 - 12/03/19 01:30 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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I know that the Democrats want to rush through this impeachment because they are pretty certain they have more than enough evidence to impeach Trump, but of course it doesn't matter how much evidence there is or how many witnesses they call, the Republicans will deny it, or say 'yeah he did something bad, but not impeachable bad'. So we're back to square one. The House will impeach, the Senate will not.

I would have preferred that the Democrats would have just bitten the bullet and went full steam on taking the refusals to obey subpoenas to court. The courts would have expedited those cases and since all subpoenas are legal and empowered by the Constitution to hand out, the courts would have to rule in favor of Congress. Then these people who were either ordered not to appear or refused out of fear of retribution would have to either appear or be jailed. Sure, that would take a couple of extra months and put us into the election cycle. But at this point I think it's the better choice because those testimonies under oath by people like Mick Mulvaney and John Bolton would be absolutely devastating for the Trump presidency.

Yeah, the country would be divided, but at this point how much more could it be divided than it already is? At least justice would be done and Trump would be not only impeached but removed from office. Denny Dimwit could beat Mike Pence if he replaced Trump in the 2020 election.


Edited by HumblePi (12/03/19 01:31 AM)

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#318572 - 12/03/19 02:35 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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All of those subpoena cases are working their way through the courts. (Trump keeps on losing.) Some may be decided very soon at the Supreme Court. John Roberts legacy depends on it. And he has to be on the court for many years. Trump will be gone sooner or later. Why give up your legitimacy for somebody who is almost out of office? Trump has no loyalty to anybody: Why be loyal to him? You would ruin your reputation when the next Democratic administration sends him to prison.

All they have to do is refuse to hear the appeals at this point, which should be easy since there are no legal questions at issue.

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