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#318635 - 12/05/19 03:57 AM Bloomberg: Xi Jinping is not a dictator
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Democratic Presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg told a PBS journalist that Xi Jinping, General Secretary of the Communist Party of China is not a dictator.

WaPo link

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Earlier this fall, Mike Bloomberg said that Chinese President Xi Jinping is “not a dictator,” and that the long-ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP) “listens to the public.”

Now that the former mayor has entered the presidential contest, comments like this are coming back to haunt him.


Haunt him? It should totally disqualify him! mad

YES, YES, YES, this is VERY troubling, I find it downright reprehensible, and it is the sign that everyone should interpret as that of another crooked billionaire who seeks to remake the world to suit his personal agendas, all over again.

It does not matter if he is running as a Democrat because upon acting on his personal beliefs that Ping isn't a dictator, he will damage the country just as much as Trump is right now. This is, quite simply, a total dick punch to everything we believe about freedom.

So, instead of becoming a tool of Putin, we'd become a tool of Ping.
Great.... rolleyes :doh: dunce .... just great. <<<(sarcasm!)

Yes, he IS too intelligent and well connected not to know any of this. He's fully aware of this but preserving and boosting his own fortunes apparently come first, as can be seen by such a self-serving statement.

The good news is, it's extremely doubtful Bloomberg even has a marshmallow's chance in a cyclotron of ever getting near the White House.
And with this, I suspect he has just roasted his own ass.
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#318638 - 12/05/19 08:48 AM Re: Bloomberg: Xi Jinping is not a dictator [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I think he may actually be right. China is an authoritarian state enabled by democracy, strange as it seems. What they aren't is a Republic ruled by laws, like we supposedly are. So their government can do anything convenient to any Chinese Citizen, including break them up for spare parts, (but here's the important part) with the approval of the majority of the people.

The majority of Chinese people think The Communist Party is the group who should be in charge, and trust the Party to chose it's leaders.

The huge difference from Western Democracies is actually at the individual level: They have no Bill of Rights or any rights at all. Their biggest defect is the tyranny of the majority.

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#318646 - 12/05/19 05:14 PM Re: Bloomberg: Xi Jinping is not a dictator [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I think he may actually be right. China is an authoritarian state enabled by democracy, strange as it seems. What they aren't is a Republic ruled by laws, like we supposedly are. So their government can do anything convenient to any Chinese Citizen, including break them up for spare parts, (but here's the important part) with the approval of the majority of the people.

The majority of Chinese people think The Communist Party is the group who should be in charge, and trust the Party to chose it's leaders.

The huge difference from Western Democracies is actually at the individual level: They have no Bill of Rights or any rights at all. Their biggest defect is the tyranny of the majority.


Sorry but I can't agree. One Party totalitarian state, not a republic.
That in and of itself is sufficient to make ANY person who is "elected" a dictator by default, because the Chinese people are unable to utilize the rule of law.
Absent the rule of law, you have a dictator.

Is that person a "benevolent" dictator? Sure, as long as you obey, sure he is. He will even allow you to become a billionaire, just don't cross him or disagree with his authority in any way, not even in a chat room or on television, or even in open conversation in the public sphere.

I'm not all that interested in any "According to Hoyle" definitions of a dictator, because as correct and proper as Hoyle may be, practical real world evidence sometimes defies Hoyle altogether.

There are a great many things that a "Hoyle" can't rule definitively on, starting with the lowly Euglena.

Even if Xi Xinping is a "euglenic" figure, the Chinese people have no frame of reference within their own nation to compare to, not in all their six thousand years of existence.

I am forced to intepret Bloomberg's statement as both CYA for his significant Chinese investments and as a deep bow to Chinese authority. In a very practical sense, especially given Ping's consolidation of personal power unmatched since Mao, the Chinese people effectively live under a dictatorship.
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#318647 - 12/05/19 07:22 PM Re: Bloomberg: Xi Jinping is not a dictator [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I don't much care what Bloomberg thinks. One billionaire president is one too many. China seems to do okay for itself, so I don't worry about them.
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#318656 - 12/05/19 11:31 PM Re: Bloomberg: Xi Jinping is not a dictator [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
I don't much care what Bloomberg thinks. One billionaire president is one too many. China seems to do okay for itself, so I don't worry about them.


Oh of course, I just can't imagine him saying that helps HIS chances very much. Hmm
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#318659 - 12/06/19 12:36 AM Re: Bloomberg: Xi Jinping is not a dictator [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I think you are ignoring "what the Chinese people want", in favor of "What would be good for the Chinese people". That's a bit condescending. I also think you are equating "democracy" with "good".

But the US is NOT a democracy! It's a Constitutional Republic. We have basic rules, and we are supposed to follow those rules in spite of the majority opinion. Often, the Supreme Court decides that something popular is not constitutional and enough of us honor their decision.

That does not happen in China precisely because it is a democracy, but has all the worst features of democracy. What they are ignorant of is that you can have a Republic that has some rules, and still elect Parties like the Communist Party if that's what you prefer. And apparently they do.

Yes, about 1/3 of the working population is outside of the Hukou system, meaning they have moved (usually for work) outside of their registered living area. So they don't get a lot of benefits like education and health care. But 2/3 of the working population IS in the system! That's the biggest conflict in China today, but twice as many of them like it the way it is.

Funny thing, is that the US also has some Hukou-like rules as well: Lots of states have residency requirements for government programs and state school tuition. School districts usually have district residency rules as well.

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#318684 - 12/06/19 05:20 PM Re: Bloomberg: Xi Jinping is not a dictator [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I think you are ignoring "what the Chinese people want", in favor of "What would be good for the Chinese people". That's a bit condescending. I also think you are equating "democracy" with "good".

But the US is NOT a democracy! It's a Constitutional Republic. We have basic rules, and we are supposed to follow those rules in spite of the majority opinion. Often, the Supreme Court decides that something popular is not constitutional and enough of us honor their decision.

That does not happen in China precisely because it is a democracy, but has all the worst features of democracy. What they are ignorant of is that you can have a Republic that has some rules, and still elect Parties like the Communist Party if that's what you prefer. And apparently they do.

Yes, about 1/3 of the working population is outside of the Hukou system, meaning they have moved (usually for work) outside of their registered living area. So they don't get a lot of benefits like education and health care. But 2/3 of the working population IS in the system! That's the biggest conflict in China today, but twice as many of them like it the way it is.

Funny thing, is that the US also has some Hukou-like rules as well: Lots of states have residency requirements for government programs and state school tuition. School districts usually have district residency rules as well.


Well, if we're talking about "Athenian" style direct democracy, then NO, we are not that and never were. Generally speaking, when it comes to a constitutional republic, the term democracy refers to representative democracy, which is the buffered form of democracy that works well in the republican framework.
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#318706 - 12/07/19 02:50 AM Re: Bloomberg: Xi Jinping is not a dictator [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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"works well in the republican framework" if the representatives are all ethical gentlemen, like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. Doesn't seem to work very well if one Party goes off the rails and captures many branches.

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#318714 - 12/07/19 06:35 AM Re: Bloomberg: Xi Jinping is not a dictator [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
"works well in the republican framework" if the representatives are all ethical gentlemen, like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. Doesn't seem to work very well if one Party goes off the rails and captures many branches.


True that.
Our Founders didn't go far enough in accounting for depravity and moral bankruptcy. Or...they must have decided that if it ever gets that bad, we don't deserve our republic anyway, screw the bastards, they probably said.

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