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#318754 - 12/08/19 05:08 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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Here is an enlightening article on why Warren might be fading...

Jacobin

It also addresses somewhat the 'purity vs electability' issue.
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#318760 - 12/08/19 08:07 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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#318761 - 12/08/19 08:19 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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“You can’t change society unless you win elections.”

Important thing to remember.

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#318771 - 12/08/19 09:51 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Aint it though.
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#318776 - 12/09/19 01:42 AM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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Rubbish.

Sanders has raised more cash with more people, has more volunteers, shattered records and here comes a piece from politico wondering why there’s disagreements with Warren.

Misdirection.

What are the disagreements? Dunno. Never gets brought up, for some reason.

Just hand wringing about losing election from the constituents that repeatedly field technocrats and/or insiders that go on to llose elections.

Why should anyone think Warren could win?

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#318788 - 12/09/19 04:27 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle

Why should anyone think Warren could win?


That was a good faith question, by the way.
Has anyone sufficiently made the case on why she would win?
The mainstream was Warren curious but that seems to have faded for the moment. Buttgiieggg stock is rising with that crowd.

I see Warren having a 'glass jaw;, as someone has pointed out recently, and would get pummelled by Trump and his minions in the general.

'Bernie stole cable television' and got himself elected mayor of Burlington. I can get behind that alone.


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#318790 - 12/09/19 05:18 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: chunkstyle]
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My case was simply that she had a chance to win. There was, for a moment, a brief possibility that a progressive candidate could win.

She still has a chance, albeit slim, as does Sanders, but unfortunately former President Obama stepped in and blasted any chance that either progressive candidate had at securing the nomination. What small respect I still had for the former president was blasted away with his announcement that voters should steer clear of progressives.

It's not completely over by any means and just as I predicted, Bernie is seeing a surge in the polls. Warren might even come back because polls are not elections. Between the two I don't really have a preference.

The glass jaw metaphor is certainly a possibility. Early on I wrote her off as un-electable, Trump has her number. Polls indicated that voters might rise above this but her Medicare For All stance seemed to be more than the polling public was willing to accept.

But still, my prediction of a Warren nomination stands for now. I'm not one to bend and sway with the polls. I've picked my horse and made my bet.





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#318802 - 12/09/19 08:06 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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The poor reception among voters of her Medicare For All plan and subsequent backing off does not bode well for progressives in general. I thought it might be too ambitious, and I guess I was right. Too bad Americans are such shlubs, but it is what it is. Unless Bernie, Elizabeth, or some unknown progressive can reach out and move a lot more of the voters, the candidate is going to end up being Biden. Too bad.

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#318805 - 12/09/19 09:59 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I thought it might be too ambitious, and I guess I was right.


We'll see. I expected polls to shuffle around between the top four a little bit, indeed hoped Biden might drop below both Sanders and Warren. I don't think anybody actually wants Biden but everybody is willing to vote for him...except me.

Voters might decide to give it to Bernie! He could beat the feck out of Trump.
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#318807 - 12/09/19 10:43 PM Re: Organic Socialism [Re: logtroll]
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Warren did that Medicare For All* that is all to common with liberal democrats.
Like Kamala's college edjucation proposal, it got watered down with fine print and arbitrary timelines that made neither economic nor political sense. Those pesky * that seem to hover around anything democrats propose these daye.
That following her Ted Kazinsky style 'Medicare For All' manifesto that was released dipped in righteous indignation at our current health care industry only to be qualified later with a *.

Not good. Many people are familiar with this and start to wonder how committed you are to your proposals. Not a good move or look for a candidate in this race.

Obama's shine left the left long ago. I think he has been getting a much needed rethink. His real estate development scheming in Chicago, right after leaving office, was the nail in the coffin with him and progressive leftists.

Unions realized he was no friend for much longer.

He should be a cautionary tale for progressive voters going forward.

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