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#317617 - 11/01/19 02:39 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Three Republicans abstained. Not as unanimous as McCarthy wanted.

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#317618 - 11/01/19 03:48 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pdx rick]
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What are you going to bellyache about now?


Now one of them had the audacity to claim that all the information collected so far has to be thrown out as "fruit of the poisoned tree"!

A very "lawyer" thing to say. The lawyers are pounding the table now, because they don't have the law or the facts on their side.

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#317632 - 11/01/19 12:24 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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What are you going to bellyache about now?


Now one of them had the audacity to claim that all the information collected so far has to be thrown out as "fruit of the poisoned tree"!

A very "lawyer" thing to say. The lawyers are pounding the table now, because they don't have the law or the facts on their side.

Welp, all of the witnesses so far said they'd come-back and testify in public. smile
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#317666 - 11/02/19 01:56 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Rachael: Trump has done this before with Ukraine

What are the odds that when a bank robber is caught, this is the first time he's committed this particular crime? Hmm
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#317669 - 11/02/19 02:26 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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when viewed through the lens of the Ukraine call and the conspiratorial efforts of of Trump's team, Sec Pompeo, AG Barr, Giuliani, you just have to wonder what was missed with all the Russian contacts during the campaign and all the effort Mr Trump has placed in making life easier for Russians after assuming office.


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#317694 - 11/03/19 02:05 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Boy, does this all stink of an organized crime RICO case. All these guys should be in prison and all of their ill-gotten gains confiscated. It would be fun to see the Trump kids picking up trash on the side of the freeway for about 20 years, then going to their day jobs working the counter at Chick-Fil-A.

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#317786 - 11/06/19 12:53 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Here's an article from Gallup comparing the impeachment of Nixon to Trump. It highlights the polarization and ultra high partisanship that is present today, but wan't in 1974.

"Eighty-nine percent of Democrats currently say Trump should be impeached and removed from office. That compares with 71% of Democrats who in 1974 said the charges against Nixon warranted his removal from office. The 1974 survey was conducted days before Nixon announced his resignation from office on August 8, 1974.

Among Republicans, 92% reject Trump being impeached and removed from office while just 7% are in favor of it. Under Nixon, a smaller 59% of his fellow Republicans opposed his removal from office while 31% endorsed it."

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"Party differences between 1974 and now reflect the more politically polarized U.S. environment, with Americans' opinions about the president now more unified within party groups than in the past. Eighty percentage points currently separate Democratic (87%) and Republican support (7%) for removal, double the size of the party gap under Nixon (71% and 31%)."

https://news.gallup.com/poll/268052/demo...ign=syndication

Is it any wonder that those in neither the pro or anti Trump camps tend to view this as a battle between the two major parties? A partisan battle at that. On average independents are split on the subject. Averaging 35% for, 35% against, 30% unsure, undecided or plain don't care.
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#317787 - 11/06/19 02:58 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: perotista]
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Is it any wonder that those in neither the pro or anti Trump camps tend to view this as a battle between the two major parties? A partisan battle at that. On average independents are split on the subject. Averaging 35% for, 35% against, 30% unsure, undecided or plain don't care.

What happened to the Republican party - they used to be the "Law & Order" party. Now, if their politicians commit crimes, "everybody" does it.

Hmm
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#317788 - 11/06/19 03:40 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: perotista
Is it any wonder that those in neither the pro or anti Trump camps tend to view this as a battle between the two major parties? A partisan battle at that. On average independents are split on the subject. Averaging 35% for, 35% against, 30% unsure, undecided or plain don't care.

What happened to the Republican party - they used to be the "Law & Order" party. Now, if their politicians commit crimes, "everybody" does it.

Hmm



That's the bone of contention. Most Republicans view this impeachment process as a partisan political vendetta against Trump for winning an election. In their view, Trump has done nothing wrong. The Democrats view it as a search for justice and the truth. To get rid of a president who has committed numerous crimes.

In today's polarized and ultra high partisan world of our politics, it isn't surprising to me that the two parties view this completely opposite. I don't know how old you are, but I remember a much friendlier time between parties. A time when each party had their conservative and liberal wings. Of course over time each party discarded the wing they didn't want and now both parties are in the process of getting rid of their moderates. What's left is the hard core on each side of the aisle. Of course this has taken 50 years to accomplish.

I think when this first started to go overboard was the impeachment of Bill Clinton and the introduction of the Hastert rule. Since then polarization and partisanship has continued to increase by leaps and bounds. Cooperation between parties, the willingness to compromise went out the window as the parties became more and more partisan. I think this is the reason why independents, call them swing voters has increased from 30% in 2006 to 43% of the electorate today as the two major parties continue to shrink. Most Americans want the two parties to work together. They're not doing that which is why government now has replaced all other issues as the number on problem facing this nation.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/220265/americans-favor-compromise-things-done-washington.aspx


https://news.gallup.com/poll/267581/ment...ign=syndication
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#317789 - 11/06/19 05:21 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: perotista]
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Most Republicans view this impeachment process as a partisan political vendetta against Trump for winning an election. In their view, Trump has done nothing wrong.

BS!!!

Trump's Base ... The Base .... the rabid base .... yes ... Mr Trump can shoot people ... he can frak monkeys on the WH lawn ... he can etc etc ... and they would continue their support.

However, I don't think anyone can continue to believe these folks are "Republicans".

Now "real" Republicans who say this are being seriously duplicitous. When asked the simple questions they deflect ignore or simply don't answer. The reason? They know Mr Trump's actions were at the minimum unethical and more likely illegal and impeachable.

Ask them the hypothetical question if Pres Obama had done etc and their answer is that is a hypothetical. Well ... the question is not hypothetical as Mr trump has already done it so you can answer by saying yes Pres Obama could do whatever the frak he wanted and that would be OK.

I mean geeeeez

Had Pres Obama done the same thing ... you bet he would have been on list
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