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#318949 - 12/13/19 04:14 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Fatass Trump's WH lawyers meet with #MoscowMitch. Hours later, #MoscowMitch announces that Fatass will never be removed from Office.

#RiggedSystem

gobsmacked


It's McConnell. He's so crooked it takes 3 staffers to screw his pants on every morning.
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#318958 - 12/13/19 09:10 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Does anyone want to volunteer to keep a running tally of soft and cowardly Conserv-A-Dems who begin to waffle under GOP pressure


Watch Drew and Peterson get primaried in 2020. They are painting targets on their backs.

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#318961 - 12/13/19 09:33 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Congressman John Ratcliffe said,

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"Absolutely it's okay to ask a foreign government to involve themselves in our election."


I keep hearing that, technically speaking, the charge of treason is only valid during war.
That said, Russia is attacking our "ally" Ukraine.

I say that in quotes thanks to our Russian operative POTUS, of course. But Russia's interference in our elections, and the work of our Russian operatives trying to solicit pro-Russia Ukrainian oligarchs in further US election interference should RIGHTLY be interpreted as "acts of war", in my humble opinion.

Fortunately quite a few top intel leaders also have normal common sense...it doesn't take a genius to recognize acts of war.
Thus they also are of the same opinion.
So while there is no shooting war happening here, these acts are distinctly provocative, and if we had an actual POTUS instead of a Russian asset, such provocations would indeed be considered seriously.

My opinion, the treason criteria is full of holes, holes large enough for several obese Russian operatives to walk through unencumbered.
Clearly our founders and framers did not imagine the extent to which the treason envelope could be pushed, but then again they also could not imagine global air travel and electronic communications either.

If Ratcliffe's words are not treason, then it is my opinion that the definition of treason is woefully inadequate as anything other than a symbolic bit of window dressing, utterly incapable of being applied in a time of universal deceit.

I am of the opinion that, had a "Congressman Ratcliffe" uttered such a thing in the 18th Century, or 19th, he would have been summarily hanged.
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#318963 - 12/13/19 09:58 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Congressman John Ratcliffe said,

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"Absolutely it's okay to ask a foreign government to involve themselves in our election."


I keep hearing that, technically speaking, the charge of treason is only valid during war.


Tell that to the Rosenbergs.
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#318965 - 12/13/19 10:31 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Tell that to the Rosenbergs.


Of course, they were Jews so suspect of being disloyal to the US right from the start. We may have liberated the death camps, but at the time antisemitism was very much alive and well in the US.

As it is trying to be again.

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#318976 - 12/14/19 08:31 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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The Supreme Court will consider the appeals court decision in the Mazars case next week. Lower courts have said the subpoena is to Trump's accountant firm, not Trump, so it can't interfere with his Presidential duties in any way. It will be very interesting if the Supremes decide they don't want to hear it, because there are no grounds for appeal. In that case, Trump's financial data could be at the House immediately.

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#318977 - 12/14/19 02:15 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
The Supreme Court will consider the appeals court decision in the Mazars case next week. Lower courts have said the subpoena is to Trump's accountant firm, not Trump, so it can't interfere with his Presidential duties in any way. It will be very interesting if the Supremes decide they don't want to hear it, because there are no grounds for appeal. In that case, Trump's financial data could be at the House immediately.

I thought the SCOTUS was hearing arguments to these Trump financial cases in March 2020 with a decision in June 2020. Hmm
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#318978 - 12/14/19 02:29 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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What's with #MoscowMitch's admission to Fox News that he is working behind the scenes and colluding with the White House to stack the Senate impeachment trial? Hmm

Barney Frank says "You don't have to live in Kentucky to vote against Mitch McConnell." I agree. smile
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#318979 - 12/14/19 02:33 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I think your post is a good example of the current unhinged paranoi of the liberal mindset.
Your so offended by the current president, who has given us loads to be offended over, that your willing to start crying ‘war’ against a nuclear armed nation.
Kinda reckless to my mind but that’s the drumbeat coming from that camp since 2016.
Just a reminder, we’ve placed our armies and navies on Russia’s doorstep in former Soviet countries we also promised Russia we would not do. We interfered much more in their elections during the nineties and aughts if you recall, where the roles were reversed. Clinton was head of state during some of that. Western powers, led by us, have been meddling in their backyard in much more direct ways than some low rent meme posting that Russia has been accused of.
Other countries have meddled in our elections, televised, for the whole world to see. Wasn’t Israel’s prime minister Netanyahu ,addressing our congress to influence our foreign policy without invitation from the White House?
Aren’t we always overthrowing leftists governments, replacing them with hard right fascist governments.
So brain rotted, liberals have now assumed the roles of red baiters, paranoid conspiracists and have actively promoted the use of our own internal security apparatus to try and nullify our own elections.
Just as liberal classes have done in Brazil, Columbia and trying to do in Venezuela. Always wrapping themselves in ‘mockracy’ while installing right wingers in foreign countries to carry out Corporate interests.
So, again, you and the rest of the libs will have to pardon me if I don’t buy all the treason talk and get alarmed with the ‘acts of war’ accusations over small provocations that pale in comparison to what we’ve done and are currently doing all over the world.

Coincidently, net roots nation has compiled a real list of impeachable offenses the president has made instead of this penny ante phone call to the Ukraine fluff that both parties are dirty with.

Which raises the awkward question of why aren’t the libs pursuing them?


Edited by chunkstyle (12/14/19 02:36 PM)

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#318980 - 12/14/19 03:09 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Coincidently, net roots nation has compiled a real list of impeachable offenses the president has made instead of this penny ante phone call to the Ukraine fluff that both parties are dirty with.

Link?
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