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#319989 - 01/13/20 10:24 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: jgw]
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If a large group of voters are turned off by the left all they have to do is vote for Biden in the primaries. Or the billionaires, or anybody but the left.

There is no reason to vote for any change. Things are fine just as they are.

If the left still manages to steal the nomination from the more deserving moderate candidates, then you can simply refuse to vote for them in the general election. Probably Trump would be better than Socialism...

That's the beauty of democracy.
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#319990 - 01/14/20 02:14 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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I've said this numerous times and it seems like a good time to repeat it. I think 2020 is an election for the Democrats to lose. Trump and company can't win it, but the Democrats could lose it with the wrong candidate. But that applied in 2016 also.

Nominate a candidate attractive to the independent voter, the Democrats win in a landslide. Nominate one as disliked or more disliked than Trump by independents, another 2016 is certainly possible. It will be most interesting to see if the Democrats learned any lessons from 2016 and if they have, will they apply them.
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#319991 - 01/14/20 02:32 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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This brings up the story about Sanders telling Warren he thought the Republicans might win if Democrats nominate a woman. Sounds sexist, but it's not. Bernie would support Warren fully if she was the candidate, but just look at what happened in 2016: Droves of White women voted against Hillary, even though her opponent was the most anti-woman candidate for decades. So much for the "Hillary wins because of the female voters" theory!

My impression is that deep down most women don't trust other women, but instead see them as competitors. I thought most women were a bit more enlightened, but Hillary did lose. So they got President Pussygrabber.

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#319994 - 01/14/20 03:50 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
This brings up the story about Sanders telling Warren he thought the Republicans might win if Democrats nominate a woman. Sounds sexist, but it's not. Bernie would support Warren fully if she was the candidate, but just look at what happened in 2016: Droves of White women voted against Hillary, even though her opponent was the most anti-woman candidate for decades. So much for the "Hillary wins because of the female voters" theory!

My impression is that deep down most women don't trust other women, but instead see them as competitors. I thought most women were a bit more enlightened, but Hillary did lose. So they got President Pussygrabber.


Hillary didn't do any better or worst on average among women voters than her male predecessors vs a Republican candidate.

2016 Hillary 54% of the woman's vote vs 41% for Trump. 5% third party
2012 Obama 55% of the woman's vote vs. 44% for Romney
2008 Obama 56% of the woman's vote vs. 43% for McCain
2004 Kerry 51% of the woman's vote vs. 48% for G.W. Bush
2000 Gore 54% of the woman's vote vs. 43% for G.W. Bush
1996 Bill Clinton 54% of the woman's vote vs. 38% for Dole, Perot 7%

Getting 54% of the woman's vote is the average vote women give any Democratic candidate since 1996. Trump's 41% was the lowest for any Republican going back to 1996 when Dole received but 38%. The reason was Perot was running as more a less, sort of a viable candidate.

Hillary received 43% of the white woman's vote, Obama 43% in 2012, 46% in 2008. Kerry 44%, Gore 46%. Even just among white woman, Hillary received the average percentage a male Democratic candidate did.
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#319995 - 01/14/20 03:53 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
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And from what I hear Democrats will lose again if they don't choose Biden or the billionaires. Because independents are against change.

Bernie's right though, a woman president would be a big change, and a woman running for president and promising big changes is certainly a bridge too far for independents, women in general, and Democrats alike.

Better to stick with safe bets. Just change a few names and faces and everything will be fine.

Pero is right too, if there is anything Democrats are great at it's seizing defeat from the jaws of victory. In a sane world Donald Trump would never get re-elected. That he got elected in the first place is proof enough that we no longer live in a sane world....

Biden and Booker or Biden and Harris would be the obvious answer in an average year, but back in 2016 Bernie woke up a lot of people and showed them a better way. If Bernie gets the nod, whatya wanna bet one of the billionaires runs third party...Just a couple more weeks now and the voting begins. Howard Schultz might come back to haunt us.
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#319996 - 01/14/20 04:16 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
And from what I hear Democrats will lose again if they don't choose Biden or the billionaires. Because independents are against change.

Bernie's right though, a woman president would be a big change, and a woman running for president and promising big changes is certainly a bridge too far for independents, women in general, and Democrats alike...

...and black Americans.

Right after the 2016 election, Van Jones talked to black voters and older black women said that a woman ought not be president.

Hmm
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#319997 - 01/14/20 04:17 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
...whatya wanna bet one of the billionaires runs third party...Just a couple more weeks now and the voting begins. Howard Schultz might come back to haunt us.

Third parties split the vote. I hope everyone has learned that lesson. smile
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#320000 - 01/14/20 04:41 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Hillary got the same as most Democrats, but I thought women would prefer her over the fetid pig running against her (from a woman's point of view). Trump said a lot of extremely anti-woman things, and yet that did not seem to motivate women to vote against him.

As for a Third Party billionaire, he would probably take votes from Trump instead of the Democrat. I just don't see Democrats being impressed with a candidate's wealth. But certainly a lot of Trump fans were. At least they keep claiming he must be smart because he's rich. Somebody else who is richer and not a crook would impress them more.

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#320001 - 01/14/20 05:02 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Hillary got the same as most Democrats, but I thought women would prefer her over the fetid pig running against her (from a woman's point of view). Trump said a lot of extremely anti-woman things, and yet that did not seem to motivate women to vote against him.

I think a lot of people just stayed home and didn't vote. Hmm
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#320002 - 01/14/20 05:03 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
As for a Third Party billionaire, he would probably take votes from Trump instead of the Democrat. I just don't see Democrats being impressed with a candidate's wealth. But certainly a lot of Trump fans were. At least they keep claiming he must be smart because he's rich. Somebody else who is richer and not a crook would impress them more.

Bloomberg would probably take-away from the Dem vote. cry

Conservatives will not vote for a Jewish person. Remember the conservative mantra: "Jews will not replace us."

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