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#319068 - 12/17/19 09:37 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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Originally Posted By: jgw
1. I did that once and was dazzled with political bamboozlement
2. its the way the system is designed. You simple don't get

I was not arguing about anything simply making a statement. Just something else you absolutely refuse to get. Your purity, however, is without peer.

Oh, if this is an argument - YOU WIN! (and I don't give a sh*t)

Oh, I have claimed professional status as a wishful thinker. You, however, I think, absolutely win on that one too!

When Trump wins his second term he should, I think, personally thank you..............


Spicey!!

1. No idea what your on about but I like the innuendo you managed to show horn in.
2. Where is it written that there shall be only two corporate parties. I’ll wait.....

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#319079 - 12/18/19 05:20 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle

2. Where is it written that there shall be only two corporate parties. I’ll wait.....



Your wait is over, because where is it written that alternate parties are supposed to just magically appear by mere wishing, magically appear with a full set of down-ticket support and filled seats in local, city, county, state and Congress?

Where is it written that setting up a PO Box, website and social media account is enough to deserve being elected POTUS straight from the git-go with no foundational support?

You're already on record as flatly stating that you should not be considered a voice for solutions, so you're just here to gripe.
So it's a cinch you're probably not that interested in doing the long term legwork to stand an alternate party up with the needed numbers to actually win elections.
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#319086 - 12/18/19 02:23 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Duverger's Law takes no prisoners. Our system will only have two parties large enough to matter at any given time.
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#319095 - 12/18/19 07:25 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Two corporate parties? Huh?

On the other hand, nice bit of gaslight - well done!

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#319107 - 12/18/19 09:11 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: jgw]
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Two corporate parties?


Yes, two corporate parties is what we're stuck with and what many are fighting against. Two of the leading candidates are taking no corporate money. The others have invited corporate sponsorship.

Maybe you can guess which ones...?
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#319116 - 12/19/19 12:03 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
chunkstyle Offline
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Gaslight!....

Does claiming ‘gaslight!’ with someone you disagree with start becoming a form of gaslighting itself?

Just wondering where the edges are of this vague use of the word. Almost as vague as the now familiar ‘whataboutism’.

The now all to common response when you have nothing to counter with or are intellectually lazy.

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#319117 - 12/19/19 12:26 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Very incisive and pointed argument you've got there, Chunks!

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#319118 - 12/19/19 12:29 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
chunkstyle Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle

2. Where is it written that there shall be only two corporate parties. I’ll wait.....



Your wait is over, because where is it written that alternate parties are supposed to just magically appear by mere wishing, magically appear with a full set of down-ticket support and filled seats in local, city, county, state and Congress?

Where is it written that setting up a PO Box, website and social media account is enough to deserve being elected POTUS straight from the git-go with no foundational support?

You're already on record as flatly stating that you should not be considered a voice for solutions, so you're just here to gripe.
So it's a cinch you're probably not that interested in doing the long term legwork to stand an alternate party up with the needed numbers to actually win elections.



I don’t know Jeff. I don’t have the slightest idea. Those are your questions, not mine.


JGW seems to think the he knows how the system should work based on some design I may not get. I’d like a citation for his claim. That used to be a way to keep things semi-legit. Back in Phil’s day I think.

Did I say that I should not be considered a voice for solutions? Where was that?


Edited by chunkstyle (12/19/19 12:30 AM)

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#319139 - 12/19/19 02:31 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Just because 3rd parties are funnier doesn't make them better, anyhow. Any credible 3rd party would be *immediately* corrupted. Like by next Tuesday.
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#319171 - 12/20/19 09:08 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Any credible 3rd party would be *immediately* corrupted. Like by next Tuesday.


By your measure, corruption is the norm then. Just part of the equation. That may explain a lot about why Republicans stand behind Trump. They expect their politicians to be corrupt. Democrats pretend they aren't equally corrupt. Third Parties promise they won't be as corrupt but they're human too.

I think we could all agree that Obama was the least corrupt president since Carter. As I recall he was worth about $1-2 Mil when he first took office(Mostly from book sales).
He just bought a $12 million dollar house.
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