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#319319 - 12/26/19 09:21 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Hamish Howl Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all


Evidently, in 2016 voters wanted to cripple them, and this is what they get. Blaming the Democrats in Congress is rather silly.


Lazy apathetic Dem voters and pissed off Dems who stayed home and sulked is what got us the TRIFECTA. And Trump, of course.
But the TRIFECTA was mostly the result of people just not even bothering to vote at all.


The right's problem is that the whole world is seen as a zero-sum game, and they now violently oppose any other world view ("Is that a poor kid EATING LUNCH! AAAARRRG!")

The left's problem is that nobody knows how to form coalitions, and are now violently opposed to the very idea. This is how your political view can be socially dominant and still fail to achieve a governing majority.
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#319323 - 12/26/19 11:43 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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But the TRIFECTA was mostly the result of people just not even bothering to vote at all.

If you give people sh*tty candidates they won't come out and vote.

If the party forces sh*tty candidates onto the ballot they shouldn't be surprised when people don't come out and vote.

What you're asking is for non-Democrats to come on out and vote for Democratic candidates they don't like.

And then blaming the non-Democrats when the Democratic candidate loses.
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#319327 - 12/27/19 04:31 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I doubt it was actual Democrats who did not come out to vote in 2016. It was mostly independents. Anybody connected in a formal way to the Democratic Party would have been highly motivated. But over 1/3 of voters are not connected to a Party, and float from flower to flower, voting sometimes R, sometimes D, some times Third Party, and sometimes not at all.

And as for sh*tty candidates, almost all of Hillary's supposed sh*tyness was supplied by Republicans! It was the big lie technique: You repeat a lie enough times and people start to believe it. Apparently you still do, even though Hillary's policies were almost identical to Obama's.

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#319334 - 12/27/19 12:53 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
But the TRIFECTA was mostly the result of people just not even bothering to vote at all.

If you give people sh*tty candidates they won't come out and vote.

If the party forces sh*tty candidates onto the ballot they shouldn't be surprised when people don't come out and vote.

What you're asking is for non-Democrats to come on out and vote for Democratic candidates they don't like.

And then blaming the non-Democrats when the Democratic candidate loses.



If people won't come out to vote against a low-rent Mussolini, then I guess we get the government we deserve.
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#319343 - 12/27/19 06:24 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Hamish Howl]
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we get the government we deserve.

Half of America doesn't call him Mango Mussolini. They call him God's Chosen One.

Half of America is happy with the government we have and willing to vote for its continuance.

Half of America doesn't vote at all because they don't see either party as better than the other.

Everybody votes their pocketbook.

It's a bit of a logjam right now but I honestly think we may see some changes in the next few years.

Bernie is surging in the polls by the way! I imagine Chunkstyle is walking around with a little more spring in his step these days just knowing there's a good chance he'll get to own the libs in the end.

We would then hope that Warren would bow out early and endorse Bernie.

It's the agenda that's important, not the person. Sen. Warren would have a big part to play in a Sanders administration. I'm gonna let myself get a little excited about this possibility...
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#319344 - 12/27/19 06:25 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Greger]
Hamish Howl Offline
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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we get the government we deserve.

Half of America doesn't call him Mango Mussolini. They call him God's Chosen One.


Well, yes. That's part of the "deserving" bit.
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#319360 - 12/28/19 02:33 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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‘Team R and Team D exist to provide the illusion of political competition so as to perpetuate the American program of pillage and plunder. The ‘responsible’ leadership of Team D supported NAFTA, ‘fiscal conservatism,’ the racist repression of the 1994 Crime Bill and George W. Bush’s war against Iraq. In return, Team R supported the bailout of Wall Street. Team D’s explanation for this one-sidedness is that they lack the power to govern. More pointedly, the explanation through their surrogates is that they are feckless, unprincipled and easily rolled. Understand, it is the friends of the Democrats who explain their politics thusly.

Impeachment theater while planet burns

Best observation of the political reality of our two corporate factions I’ve read this year.
On the other hand, it could be an anti anti Trump type...

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#319363 - 12/28/19 02:49 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Greger]
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The Democratic Party shithogs and pisspigs will only fight harder as the possibility of a candidate, sincere in the effort to move to a more economically, environmentally and socially just country, becoming the party candidate becomes a possibility.
My sense is everyone knows the seriousness of the situation that supports Sanders and overcoming the D Party is the first step on a very long road. This does seem to be the last off ramp there will be.

If Sanders fails to achieve the nomination, the consolation of two sundowning boomers strutting around on the stage, babbling incoherently past one another while the courtier media tries to reinterpret what was said to their moldering audiences in a sensible message will be a fitting end to a long brutal dehumanizing s*** show.





Edited by chunkstyle (12/28/19 02:51 PM)

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#319366 - 12/28/19 03:03 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
pdx rick Offline
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
The Democratic Party shithogs and pisspigs...

You'll be thanking those shitghogs and pisspigs when one of them defeats Fatass Trump in November 2020.

You're welcome. smile
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#319371 - 12/28/19 03:21 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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